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Jul 01, 2012 12:35 |  #1

I'm ready to upgrade my 1000d and kit lenses but have hit upon a problem, which one to choose. I know you great folks get these types of questions everyday but I am truly split as to what to get. I'm no where near Pro standard but would consider myself a very good amateur.

I shoot mainly family life, wildlife, birds that aren't to distant away, and generally anything.

I have £2000 or thereabouts and like the sound of the following.

60d with the 70-200 F2.8 Mk11 IS
7d with the 100-400 F4-F5.6 IS
5d Mkii with either the 135 F2 IS or 70-200 F4 IS

I really like the sound of full frame, and I don't really need the speed, but then the 70-200 F2.8 Mk11 IS is an awesome lens.

Out of the three what do you guys think.


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Jul 01, 2012 12:38 |  #2

7d with the 100-400 if you like nature and moving subjects. Eventually Ill be using that combo when I can afford a new body. I can vouch for the 100-400 for longer ranges and nautre shots, but you may want a shorter lens for family.


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Jul 01, 2012 12:42 |  #3

Those lenses are pretty long for "family life." But of the combos, I think I'd go for 5DII and 70-200 f/4. But then again, that's short for wildlife, especially on a FF (but I use it on my crop).


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Jul 01, 2012 12:48 |  #4

I can heartily recommend a 7D with 24-105 ;-)a


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Jul 01, 2012 12:56 |  #5

7D & 100-400 is a great combo but not for all the things you list that you shoot. Add a 50 1.8 (inexpensive lens) and you'd have something great for all ... or even throw in a 28-135 IS ... I love this lens on any of my cameras! Nice range, has IS ... not the best lens but still a great one!

5DMKII is a great body but kind of will wipe out you budget not including a lens and IMHO, the 7D will do all you want it to do.

As for FF vs crop ... it's what you percieve. I read all the FF vs Crop threads and to me, it's a very one sided set of opiions for or against one or the other. My opinion ... either/or! high points and not so high points toward either! I do not even bother thinking about it when I go for a camera but rather which one does a better job at what I am shooting ... jets, fast cars, my dogs out in the field - 7D ... portraits, dogs on the couch or in the yard - 5DMK!! ... hmmmm, then which lens!?!?!? :)

EDIT: Just to add ... I was saving for the 5DMKII when the 7D was announced and offered. I jumped and bought the 7D ... regrets from the moment I clicked on the 7D order until a few time out with the camera. Don't get me wrong ... love my 5DMKII's but ordering the 7D as I did was probably one of my best and favorite regrets/mistakes I have ever made!!! :)


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Jul 01, 2012 12:56 |  #6

Given those choices, I'd take the Mark II with 70-200. As previously stated this would not work for wildlife, but would be great for family photos(though you might want to supplement with a shorter lens in the near future).


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Jul 01, 2012 13:04 as a reply to  @ rrblint's post |  #7

My heads hurting :)

You all make valid points. I wonder why no one has gone with the 60d and the wondeful 70-200 Mk2 F2.8. I could add a x2 at a later date when money is available and will then have a 400mm F5.6 as well, but then do I need all the weight to carry around.

On a FF camera I would consider the 70-200 F4 a family lens and as Johneo states, add a cheap 50mm F1.8 to the kit bag and I'm pretty much covered, only doubt I have is the nature and widelife shots are to far away and I'll have to rely on cropping to get close but then I do have millions of pixels to play with, but then thats not what a FF camera should be about.


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Jul 01, 2012 13:09 |  #8

cremerfring wrote in post #14656719 (external link)
My heads hurting :)
I wonder why no one has gone with the 60d and the wondeful 70-200 Mk2 F2.8.

Great lens, but on a crop sensor the short end is effectively 112mm. Pretty long for family shots.


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Jul 01, 2012 13:22 |  #9

cremerfring wrote in post #14656719 (external link)
My heads hurting :)

You all make valid points. I wonder why no one has gone with the 60d and the wondeful 70-200 Mk2 F2.8. I could add a x2 at a later date when money is available and will then have a 400mm F5.6 as well, but then do I need all the weight to carry around.

On a FF camera I would consider the 70-200 F4 a family lens and as Johneo states, add a cheap 50mm F1.8 to the kit bag and I'm pretty much covered, only doubt I have is the nature and widelife shots are to far away and I'll have to rely on cropping to get close but then I do have millions of pixels to play with, but then thats not what a FF camera should be about.

But remember ... the 7D has incredible fast focus and the 5DMKII lags a little behind. The 7D will capture those wildlife and bird shots much better than a 5DMKII and will still gets great family shots if you get a good lens. Also ... I don't consider my 70-200 as a great lens on anyeither camera for those family shots ... a 24-70 L ... OH YEAH!!! A Great combo ... IMHO ... is a 24-70 f2.8 L & 70-200 f/2.8 L IS (with a 100-400 L IS in the bag for thos distant shots!)

Also, my opinion, stay away from the 2X converter!


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Jul 01, 2012 13:26 |  #10

johneo wrote in post #14656767 (external link)
Also, my opinion, stay away from the 2X converter!

+1

If you need a little extra reach, go with a 1.4X TC; less loss of image quality compared to a 2X.


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Jul 01, 2012 13:39 |  #11

LV Moose wrote in post #14656783 (external link)
+1

If you need a little extra reach, go with a 1.4X TC; less loss of image quality compared to a 2X.

+2 !!!

I read that but went with the 2X ... big mistake and the quality sucks! ESPECIALLY on the 100-400!
Not to mention there is almost no way to hold that lens w/2X converter and body still enough to even get the shot. LOL!!!


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Jul 01, 2012 13:47 as a reply to  @ johneo's post |  #12

Can the 7D do family portraits? Not claiming these are anything special but it can be done ...

This shot was my 7D with the 17-40 @ 18mm I believe ... No editing other than resize

IMAGE: http://www.riview.com/misc/2541f.jpg

Here's one from the 7D and 100-400 shot at 100mm. This was cropped. (my bird shot!)

IMAGE: http://www.riview.com/misc/5227f.jpg

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Jul 01, 2012 14:40 as a reply to  @ johneo's post |  #13

You won't believe how long I've been thinking about this.

I think I'm going for a 7d and a 100-400. I already have a 1000d and the kit lens which consists off the 18-55 IS and a 55-200 IS. I can use these two in the beginning and then sell them and get a 24-105 F4L IS lens when I have a little to add to it.

I bet the kit lens on a 7d should perform pretty well.

And I'll leave the x2 convertor alone :)


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Jul 01, 2012 17:28 |  #14

cremerfring wrote in post #14657017 (external link)
You won't believe how long I've been thinking about this.

I think I'm going for a 7d and a 100-400. I already have a 1000d and the kit lens which consists off the 18-55 IS and a 55-200 IS. I can use these two in the beginning and then sell them and get a 24-105 F4L IS lens when I have a little to add to it.

I bet the kit lens on a 7d should perform pretty well.

And I'll leave the x2 convertor alone :)

So if you get the 7D and 100-400, ( you have the 18-55 & the 55-200?) you will have 3 lenses when the 7D arrives! Get the 5DMKII and a lens, and that'll be it! Consider checking out your lenses on the 7D before getting rid of them! You may like the results!

Good luck!


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