ScottM Goldmember More info | Jul 06, 2012 14:45 | #46 Charlie wrote in post #14679522  The croprequires crop lenses to optimize it's use, so I say keep the 5dc as a backup.it's more of an apples to apples match. Disagree emphatically. I have achieved excellent results using EF lenses on crop bodies for years. And if you look through the lens archives here, you will discover countless others have done the same.
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Jul 06, 2012 15:37 | #47 AlanU wrote in post #14678541 I'm not quite sure about baseless. Are you 100% certain your claim that the t4i is a less performer to a 60d??? Lotsa xxd owners do not like a comparison between a xxd series vs. rebel. For example going back in time IIRC my friends t1i's IQ on static subjects were as good as my former 50D. The AF was better in the 50D but otherwise ISO performance didn't appear to be a massive diff. The 60D wan't a huge hit in the canon world. People seem to appreciate its video capabilities but just prior to the 60D the world adored the panasonic GH2 micro 4/3 camera as the king for AF HD video. The 60D high iso performance is'nt a world of a diff from a 7d which isn't saying alot really. 60D not having Micro adjust is an absolute joke since the previous model had it. The t4i is a game changer for canon since its introducing touch screen LCD and have useable outer focus points now. The 60D lost alot of fan base of the xxD users. Its almost like an odd duck like the canon t3 model. If canon added MA to the rebel series it would create a big stir in the canon segregated "prosumer" user to the "introductory dslr " user.
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Jul 06, 2012 16:00 | #48 AlanU wrote in post #14678896 I have the wicked spider holster system. I will use it when I shoot events with two dslr bodies. My recent Alaska cruise I lugged a 5dmk2 and ultra light Olympus w/14mm (equive 28mm) and 25 f/1.4 (50mm equiv). The OM-D was my ultra low light performer besides my 5dmk2 w/ 24Lmk2 and 85 f/1.8 (kept my 85L at home). My back pack also had my 100-400 and 16-35L. What an amazing combo even though they are two different formats. static subject the m43 is amazing. An xti would even do better in tracking though... As far as photos taken with 100-300 or 75-300 it comes down to the photographer. I was a skeptic of the m43 but now I own the phenominal 25 f/1.4 panasonic/leica prime I look at canon dslr's in a different way. Serious shoots I still demand the dslr body but for product shots and even studio I would not hesitate in using the M43 (files seems better than my 1dmk3 and 5dc in studio) I don't think anyone disputes that the 4/3 systems can deliver awesome image quality and that they are super convenient. If your setup is working for you, by all means, keep using it. Sony A7RIII, Tamron 28mm 2.8 Di III OSD M1:2, Sonnar T* FE 55mm f/1.8 ZA, Canon 200mm 2.8L ii, Sigma MC-11, HVL-F43M
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jhayesvw Cream of the Crop More info | Charlie wrote in post #14679522 The croprequires crop lenses to optimize it's use, so I say keep the 5dc as a backup.it's more of an apples to apples match. absolutely false.
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Delija Goldmember  1,095 posts Joined Jan 2009 More info | Jul 06, 2012 16:13 | #50 Scott M wrote in post #14679970 Disagree emphatically. I have achieved excellent results using EF lenses on crop bodies for years. And if you look through the lens archives here, you will discover countless others have done the same. I really can't see how anyone would disagree with this Wow, what a nice picture! You must have a really great camera!
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Bsmooth Senior Member  861 posts Likes: 13 Joined Feb 2005 Location: New England More info | "For the OP, he'll find it nice to be able to share batteries" Bruce
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ScottM Goldmember More info | Jul 06, 2012 20:14 | #52 Bsmooth wrote in post #14681256 "For the OP, he'll find it nice to be able to share batteries" Which cameras share batteries? The 5D3, 7D and 60D all share the same battery model.
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Jul 07, 2012 00:58 | #54 the dude just backed out. i'd really rather have some kind of 1d for a crop anyway.
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Jul 07, 2012 01:05 | #55 Scott M wrote in post #14679970 Disagree emphatically. I have achieved excellent results using EF lenses on crop bodies for years. And if you look through the lens archives here, you will discover countless others have done the same. Sure EF lenses can work well on a crop, but they work better on ff.. Given the choice, 2ff > 1ff 1aps-c Sony A7siii/A7iv/ZV-1 - FE 24/1.4 - SY 24/2.8 - FE 35/2.8 - FE 50/1.8 - FE 85/1.8 - F 600/5.6 - CZ 100-300 - Tamron 17-28/2.8 - 28-75/2.8 - 28-200 RXD
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AlanU Cream of the Crop More info | Jul 07, 2012 01:15 | #56 rwhardy wrote in post #14682330 the dude just backed out. i'd really rather have some kind of 1d for a crop anyway. 1dmk4 is a worthy 1d series to compliment your 5dmk3. 10MP of a 1dmk3 would push me towards something else. As a former 1dmk3 owner I'd choose a different body with much better high Iso performance. 5Dmkiv |5Dmkiii | 24LmkII | 85 mkII L | | 16-35L mkII | 24-70 f/2.8L mkii| 70-200 f/2.8 ISL mkII| 600EX-RT x2 | 580 EX II x2 | Einstein's
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TeamSpeed 01010100 01010011  More info | Jul 07, 2012 06:50 | #57 Charlie wrote in post #14682354 Sure EF lenses can work well on a crop, but they work better on ff.. Given the choice, 2ff > 1ff 1aps-c TS already has 2 ff cameras and you think going crop will do him better? Image quality of the 5dc and EF lenses > 60d + same EF lenses, so the though of the trade is pretty ridiculous. Heck, I'm rocking a ff and crop, and having two ff would easily be better, but I can't justify the purchase... the TS already has two ff cameras... Purely a subjective conclusion, not everybody would agree. It completely depends on what you shoot and the look you want to achieve. Past Equipment | My Personal Gallery
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Jul 07, 2012 08:20 | #58 TeamSpeed wrote in post #14682806 Purely a subjective conclusion, not everybody would agree. It completely depends on what you shoot and the look you want to achieve. Well, this isnt his primary camera, and the 5D3 trumps the 60D in every way possible. The 1D series on the other hand would compliment the 5D3. Sony A7siii/A7iv/ZV-1 - FE 24/1.4 - SY 24/2.8 - FE 35/2.8 - FE 50/1.8 - FE 85/1.8 - F 600/5.6 - CZ 100-300 - Tamron 17-28/2.8 - 28-75/2.8 - 28-200 RXD
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Jul 07, 2012 08:56 | #59 ha ha i want to stand around and chant fight! fight! fight! like in high school. of all the stuff questions i've asked on this forum this is the one that has kicked the most heated debates. honestly, the odds of me shooting with anything besides the 5d3 any time soon are slim. if i do decide on a cropper it'll most likely be a 1d series. but, if the offer for a 60d trade comes up again i'll probably consider it. thanks for all the advice and please keep going. i'm still reading.
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I have both a 5D and a 7D and haven't ever owned an EF-S lens. (unless you count a Tokina 12-24 which will mount on any Canon body and will work on a "full frame" sensor at 24mm).