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35L or 50L for first prime?

 
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Jul 07, 2012 12:40 |  #61

tommy I'm not picking on you specifically. If I said a 70-300 (non L) or canon 50 f/1.8 are lenses not for pixel peepers that would raise a brow wouldn't it? That comment would indicate "why isn't it good enough?".

And my comment was not directed at you. I just feel it gives good results but your standards may be different then mine. No harm in that. That's why Canon makes all these lenses.

You absolutely right !!
It's tack sharp at f/1.2 to f/1.8 but at f/2 to f/4 the focus shift does happen.....


Well here is my 50L at F4 about 2 or 3 feet away.

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For what it's worth I do miss at times with this lens but I miss with every lens so I feel much of it is user error.

Again not trying to sway people, but as far as 50mm lenses go the 50L is the best option IMHO.

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Jul 07, 2012 13:13 |  #62

benny.dahan wrote in post #14683660 (external link)
Alan,

You absolutely right !!
It's tack sharp at f/1.2 to f/1.8 but at f/2 to f/4 the focus shift does happen.....

It didn't happend with the 35 f/1.4 when I check it on the store.....
I'll need to think about it and maybe will replace it with the 35 eventually....

Thanks !

When i do quick edits without pixel peeping "severely" I can see immediately if I've missed my shot at f/1.2 or f/1.4 with my primes. When I want safety shots I'll shoot f/2 to f/2.2. With my testing of many many copies of the 50L I did find acceptably sharp f/1.2 copies but if I need to do some "safe" photos I felt very uncomfortable. Also note I'm using an Ef-S Super Precision focus screen so I see things going OOF in my viewfinder.

I casually still look at 50L's but I'll stick with safety and not miss documenting facial expressions that cannot be replicated due to events shooting.

On smaller prints I know we can get away with some back focus but for larger I want solid AF primes and zooms.


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Jul 07, 2012 13:15 |  #63

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Pyro, do you mean you accept a lens that is unsharp? I'd find it hard to explain to paying customers that their baby photo shoot or senior photo shoot is out of focus because you dont want sharpness but obtain the cool factor of owning a 50L.

who on earth would take strobe-lit portraits with a wide open aperture? This lens has never brought about the need for any "explanations" from any of my high paying clients.


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Jul 07, 2012 13:43 as a reply to  @ Pearlallica's post |  #64

I love my 50L, regardless what others think or think to know about it. I love my results with it. :D


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Jul 07, 2012 13:47 |  #65

Pearlallica wrote in post #14683862 (external link)
who on earth would take strobe-lit portraits with a wide open aperture? This lens has never brought about the need for any "explanations" from any of my high paying clients.

Who on earth said that???

If your shooting a 50L well beyond the danger zone (aprox 5 feet) the physics of dof will "should take care" of the focus shift since the dof increases as distance increases.

For a person looking for their first prime they will be in a world of hurt buying a 50L. Why?? because its a known fact that the design of the lens is defective out of the factory. Perhaps canon has done some sort of hush hush updates. Maybe they added a floating element? Haven't tested the newer non alphabetical serial numbers in the L lenses (50L)

Your "high paying clients" probably do not see this because most pro photogs will allow low res "websize" samples that do not encourage pixel peeping. Also when clients choose photos they pic the photos usually from low res examples and get the pro to print (again hiding obvious back focus). Lets face it most folks look at the entire image and facial expressions even if the overall photo's IQ is fantastic to acceptable.

Another thing is many clients dont know the diff from an xti to 5dmk3. They only take note when people put battery grips or use a 1 d series as a "pro looking camera".

I know more actual 50L users semi frustrated rather than raving full confidence compared to many 85L owners in accurate AF. Dropping 1500+ dollars isn't an issue for me...its finding a 50L worth 1500 dollars for incredible accuracy.


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Jul 07, 2012 13:51 |  #66

The Warlock wrote in post #14683970 (external link)
I love my 50L, regardless what others think or think to know about it. I love my results with it. :D

Please note my experience I've found less back focus/focus shift on crop bodies due to the smaller sensor size vs. full frame shallower dof.

If you shoot f/1.2 often I cannot doubt you'd be happy with your results. I may revisit and look for fresh batches of 50L's.


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Jul 07, 2012 13:57 |  #67

well by the sounds of it, Alan, you are far more in the know that I am regarding the current state of the 50. I did not do in depth research before I purchased it, though I can certainly pick out a solid handful of shots that are badly (and mysteriously) out of focus. I usually snap up to five images of one particular shot, thus I usually get it. My clients do not receive web-sized images, rather full resolution, tack sharp images as well as prints, depending on the product they chose. I will stand by the fact that the lens has delivered me great images, happy clients, and ultimately, all I care about, a regular pay check.

Regarding my comment about the aperture, the studio images I shoot (wether seniors or baby shots) are @ F/8 on average focus is not an issue. However, my go-to lens for studio is the 24-70.... so..


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Jul 07, 2012 14:13 |  #68

Pearlallica wrote in post #14684024 (external link)
well by the sounds of it, Alan, you are far more in the know that I am regarding the current state of the 50. I did not do in depth research before I purchased it, though I can certainly pick out a solid handful of shots that are badly (and mysteriously) out of focus. I usually snap up to five images of one particular shot, thus I usually get it. My clients do not receive web-sized images, rather full resolution, tack sharp images as well as prints, depending on the product they chose. I will stand by the fact that the lens has delivered me great images, happy clients, and ultimately, all I care about, a regular pay check.

Regarding my comment about the aperture, the studio images I shoot (wether seniors or baby shots) are @ F/8 on average focus is not an issue. However, my go-to lens for studio is the 24-70.... so..

I dont disagree with you. Your blog and imagery is excellent!! The 50L is beneficial in a tool kit.

What I have found is everyone uses a 50mm prime in a different way depending on your style. Some tend to be further and some closer depending on the kind of persective they want. This will segregate the difference between seeing images with alot of focus shift or none.

The five feet dangerzone is where I am often, so stopping down I can have eyebrows/ears in focus rather than the eye (depending one the subject matter).

I recall a youtube review from digitelRev (kai) claiming canon seemed to resolve the back focus/focus shift issue. Oddly chat with camera shop owner seeing the focus shift still existing in batches of fresh 50L's. I'll give the 50L a shot to fulfill my quest for a f/1.2 50mm prime but my "eye" tells me to grab a 24Lmk2 or 35L before my canon 50mm f/1.4 focal length.

As far as baby shoots go I love the organic light look of no flash. The natural gradations of light to shadows is beautiful. However if strobes is a must I agree on small apertures.


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Jul 07, 2012 14:36 |  #69

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I dont disagree with you. Your blog and imagery is excellent!! The 50L is beneficial in a tool kit.

Thank you. :-)

AlanU wrote in post #14684073 (external link)
What I have found is everyone uses a 50mm prime in a different way depending on your style. Some tend to be further and some closer depending on the kind of persective they want. This will segregate the difference between seeing images with alot of focus shift or none.

The five feet dangerzone is where I am often, so stopping down I can have eyebrows/ears in focus rather than the eye (depending one the subject matter).

True. I don't use the 50 for close-ups, but rather the 85. I honestly can't attest to the 50's performance under these conditions.


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Jul 08, 2012 01:52 |  #70

50L is a magical lens. I am proudly said "I love this lens."
at f/2.0 5 feet away - its not a crappy lens; its just a crappy photographer. :)


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50L is a magical lens. I am proudly said "I love this lens."
at f/2.0 5 feet away - its not a crappy lens; its just a crappy photographer. :)

um and how's that magical?? Care to explain?;)


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Our 50L and 35L live on our cameras.... both are outstanding. I crack up every time i read about this DEFECTIVE lens...what a load of hogwash. Its often a little cat fight between us about who gets to the 50L first......Its on my MKIV so much that im considering selling the 85MM.

And some of those comments about who uses a strobe with a wide open lens-- portrait photogs do it all the time especially with a speed light...great way to get light into the eyes for portraits. This was taken with an ab1600 yesterday,,,,,straight off the camera and no post processing....we use strobes for almost everything we do.

This is straight off the camera with zero PP...50L @ F1.8

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Jul 08, 2012 11:08 |  #73

benny.dahan wrote in post #14683660 (external link)
Alan,

You absolutely right !!
It's tack sharp at f/1.2 to f/1.8 but at f/2 to f/4 the focus shift does happen.....

It didn't happend with the 35 f/1.4 when I check it on the store.....
I'll need to think about it and maybe will replace it with the 35 eventually....

Thanks !

Well,
Been in shop today (again:)) and exchanged the 50 for 35.
Took some shots and it looks alot better then the 50.....
I'll post some when i get home

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Uploaded some samples at different apertures
It's tack sharp in the center even @f/1.4 and a little soft in the corners but i'm nonetheless pretty happy about it for now....
@f/1.4 - great bokeh

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Jul 08, 2012 17:51 |  #75

Is it just me or is this compression I am seeing. The image looks soft due to being OOF. The flowers are without a doubt not in focus.

Micro adjusting cannot compensate for this focus shift.

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Our 50L and 35L live on our cameras.... both are outstanding. I crack up every time i read about this DEFECTIVE lens...what a load of hogwash. Its often a little cat fight between us about who gets to the 50L first......Its on my MKIV so much that im considering selling the 85MM.

And some of those comments about who uses a strobe with a wide open lens-- portrait photogs do it all the time especially with a speed light...great way to get light into the eyes for portraits. This was taken with an ab1600 yesterday,,,,,straight off the camera and no post processing....we use strobes for almost everything we do.

This is straight off the camera with zero PP...50L @ F1.8

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