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Reception - On AND off camera lights?

 
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Jul 14, 2012 02:23 |  #16

Nick - very informative! I'm at the stage where you were at the start of your post... definitely need to up my game in the lighting stakes that there is no doubt! Thanks!!


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Jul 14, 2012 05:55 |  #17

Nick - very informative! I'm at the stage where you were at the start of your post...

Same here ;-)a Thanks for your explanation Nick
Already tried Nicks setup at a wedding but was not pleased with the results yet
But i think i know what i did wrong, so i'm going to try it again next time and will post some images afterwards!

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Jul 15, 2012 00:38 |  #18

sonnyc wrote in post #14714340 (external link)
Good stuff Nick...good stuff!

RangersForever wrote in post #14714522 (external link)
Nick - very informative! I'm at the stage where you were at the start of your post... definitely need to up my game in the lighting stakes that there is no doubt! Thanks!!

Erwin Beckers wrote in post #14714828 (external link)
Same here ;-)a Thanks for your explanation Nick
Already tried Nicks setup at a wedding but was not pleased with the results yet
But i think i know what i did wrong, so i'm going to try it again next time and will post some images afterwards!

Erwin

No problem guys. Just trying to pay it forward.

Members like Tim and Lloyd have been extremely generous and helpful. Make sure to check out Tim's sticky about lighting and do a search on Lloyd's posts about reception lighting. Very enlightening stuff! :)




  
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Jul 15, 2012 02:17 |  #19

nicksan wrote in post #14718028 (external link)
Very enlightening stuff! :)

Ba-dum tsss!


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Jul 15, 2012 09:00 |  #20

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Ba-dum tsss!

Ba-dum-tsss indeed.




  
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Jul 16, 2012 12:58 as a reply to  @ nicksan's post |  #21

I use an expanded version of most of the suggestions here.

Lighting is very venue specific, some are big, some small, tents, beachfront etc etc. Indoors, I like to bounce 2-3 lights and evenly fill the room, I always keep a light ready on the camera, but it's on and off, sometimes bounced, sometimes direct, sometimes just as a catch light. Then I have 2-3 hovering lights that I have an assistant move around for different looks. If I can make it work, I really like using diffused light on a stick, as long as you are on the same page as your assistant, it's very flexible and easy to set up dramatic shots. Finally, I use 580's new and old all controlled with a pcb cyber commander. This allows for control of which lights to fire. You can make groups for the dance floor, head table etc etc. and has always give me more than sufficient light.

You need to play with it a lot, but once you have your own system going, it's all downhill from there.



  
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Jul 16, 2012 13:00 |  #22

Persian-Rice, that's something I've been meaning to explore with the Cyber Commander. Groups. Like I'll have lights set up all over the venue then work in groups. Definitely something to think about!




  
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Jul 16, 2012 13:22 |  #23

It's like having a second lighting assistant. I was trying turning light on/off manually early on, but more than 3-4 lights and it becomes messy, you start missing shots. Being able to turn off individual lights or groups of them in one quick motion is wonderful. It adds to prep time, but the benefit of having the right lights for the situation and always being ready is invaluable.



  
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Jul 16, 2012 13:29 |  #24

Persian-Rice wrote in post #14724543 (external link)
It's like having a second lighting assistant. I was trying turning light on/off manually early on, but more than 3-4 lights and it becomes messy, you start missing shots. Being able to turn off individual lights or groups of them in one quick motion is wonderful. It adds to prep time, but the benefit of having the right lights for the situation and always being ready is invaluable.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Place more lights in strategic locations and turn them on and off based on need.

I may prop up a few speedlights in addition to the 2 stobes. I'll have to adjust power on them manually, but still, it would add more flexibility. I suppose I can also buy a few more Alien Bees too! That will really give me complete control! :)




  
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Jul 17, 2012 08:23 |  #25

Thanks for all of the information guys. I ended up using a Studio Strobe on a lightstand, a Speedlight on the little shoe foot that comes with it, and a diffused/bounced Speedlight on my strobo frame in manual mode. I definitely learned a lot about the downfalls of cheaper equipment!


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Jul 17, 2012 11:33 |  #26

Buchinger wrote in post #14728543 (external link)
Thanks for all of the information guys. I ended up using a Studio Strobe on a lightstand, a Speedlight on the little shoe foot that comes with it, and a diffused/bounced Speedlight on my strobo frame in manual mode. I definitely learned a lot about the downfalls of cheaper equipment!

Good to hear it worked out!

So what cheaper equipment are you referring to and what happened?




  
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Jul 17, 2012 11:39 |  #27

nicksan wrote in post #14724582 (external link)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Place more lights in strategic locations and turn them on and off based on need.

I may prop up a few speedlights in addition to the 2 stobes. I'll have to adjust power on them manually, but still, it would add more flexibility. I suppose I can also buy a few more Alien Bees too! That will really give me complete control! :)

I haven't done this in a wedding, but one Einstein in each corner and you can setup up to 16 groups - 1 for each light, 6 for all 2 light combos and 1 for all 4 lights. With the cyber commander, you can quickly change groups and settings, depending on where the action is.




  
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Jul 17, 2012 16:29 |  #28

Well - firstly, I own a Canon 60D, so no PC sync cord. I wanted a 430exii on camera in ettl so I purchased a vello hotshoe ettl adapter with a PC cable. Of course, with my luck that was DOA. So rather than pay $30 shipping, I ordered a pixel version of the same item. ETTL didn't work, but it did trigger my meike MK-RC7 (the second non-top shelf item in this mix) as well as my on camera 430 in manual mode. So we have on camera and off camera lights. Wait,do I? I'm still researching this problem.

For some reason (probably no half press) the PC port wasn't properly triggering my off camera flash. Second shots were fine. I had to push the button on my transmitter that was velcrod to my stroboframe, prior to each shot to "wake up" my receivers I'm assuming then it worked fine. Other than doubling the number of pops on my second 430ex I had off camera, and everyone thinking I had taken a pic when I hadn't.

I'm researching solutions, plus I'd like to be able to control off camera flash powers etc. On both studio strobes and speed lights. It appears pocket wizard is my only solution. It will be hard to. Justify the price given this is a secondary "therapy" job for me...

All in all I was happy. With my flashpoint 320M at half power, ISO 400, 1/200, from around f4.5 at the light, to f2.8 at the other side of the dancefloor. Then I added the second 430 to balance it put. No room for a lightstand so I put it on a mantle and bounced it off the ceiling. Had that at half power also.




  
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Jul 18, 2012 12:19 |  #29

Buchinger wrote in post #14730940 (external link)
I'm researching solutions, plus I'd like to be able to control off camera flash powers etc. On both studio strobes and speed lights. It appears pocket wizard is my only solution. It will be hard to. Justify the price given this is a secondary "therapy" job for me...

pocket wizards are certainly NOT your only solution anymore.
you can use radio poppers or cybersyncs or any of the other brands that are out there that offer this ability.


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Jul 18, 2012 13:21 |  #30

Mitch,
I haven't done a ton of research, but will the cybersyncs allow for ettl and has also with speedlights? Or will they just trigger them manually? I really like the idea of the meter on them.




  
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