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HSS sucks...Use an ND Filter instead

 
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Jul 19, 2012 10:19 |  #16

Curtis N wrote in post #14737169 (external link)
HSS has no motion stopping ability either. HSS is, in effect, a continuous light source that lasts through the duration of shutter curtain movement.



At what minimum speed do modern canon cameras need high speed sync?


Now, high speed sync does not offer motion stopping in and of it self..... the shutter speed you would use it at CERTAINLY would qualify.


Highspeed sync is a great tool. Once I figured out that the 430ex could go into HSS mode, I loved using flash in bright sunlight.


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Jul 19, 2012 11:14 |  #17

pyrojim wrote in post #14739737 (external link)
At what minimum speed do modern canon cameras need high speed sync?

I believe today's Canon DSLRs have X-sync speeds in the range of 1/200 to 1/300. You need HSS to go beyond that.

Now, high speed sync does not offer motion stopping in and of it self..... the shutter speed you would use it at CERTAINLY would qualify.

agreed.

Highspeed sync is a great tool. Once I figured out that the 430ex could go into HSS mode, I loved using flash in bright sunlight.

Nothing wrong with that, as long as you
a) pay attention to the distance scale
b) wait for the extended recycle time
c) prepare for the reduced battery life

The catch-22 in this whole equation is that the motion-stopping ability of a faster shutter really isn't needed with portraits. It's useful when shooting sports, but when shooting sports the subject is usually beyond the reduced range of HSS flash.

Of course there are exceptions and specialized uses, which is why I didn't say HSS was worthless, I just said its utility is limited.


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Jul 19, 2012 13:33 |  #18

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Jul 19, 2012 13:42 |  #19

Curtis N wrote in post #14739973 (external link)
I believe today's Canon DSLRs have X-sync speeds in the range of 1/200 to 1/300. You need HSS to go beyond that.agreed.Nothing wrong with that, as long as you
a) pay attention to the distance scale
b) wait for the extended recycle time
c) prepare for the reduced battery life

The catch-22 in this whole equation is that the motion-stopping ability of a faster shutter really isn't needed with portraits. It's useful when shooting sports, but when shooting sports the subject is usually beyond the reduced range of HSS flash.

Of course there are exceptions and specialized uses, which is why I didn't say HSS was worthless, I just said its utility is limited.

YOU may find the usefulness of high speed sync limited for YOU.

I think there is incredible utility in the HSS option.


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Jul 19, 2012 13:53 |  #20

pyrojim wrote in post #14740625 (external link)
YOU may find the usefulness of high speed sync limited for YOU.

I think there is incredible utility in the HSS option.

Somewhat perplexing that Olympus invented the concept of prolonged duration lower power electronic flash output, launching that over 25 years ago with the F280 flash, and the press and the world greeted it with a collective yawn, back when focal plane shutters usually sync'd to electronic flash at 1/60. Now with electronic flash sync at the incredible speeds of 1/250, prolonged duration lower power flash (HSS) is so much more accepted with open arms, when the benefit is less. :confused:


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Jul 19, 2012 14:20 |  #21

Forget HSS and ND and just go Medium Format with leaf shutter lenses and enjoy flash sync at 1600th. :lol:


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Jul 19, 2012 14:23 |  #22

Damian75 wrote in post #14740734 (external link)
Forget HSS and ND and just go Medium Format with leaf shutter lenses and enjoy flash sync at 1600th. :lol:

Dont tempt me too much.... I am wringing my hands over an RZ67 pro 2....


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Jul 19, 2012 14:33 |  #23

Damian75 wrote in post #14740734 (external link)
Forget HSS and ND and just go Medium Format with leaf shutter lenses and enjoy flash sync at 1600th. :lol:

It is a rare leaf shutter that exceeds 1/500!


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Jul 19, 2012 14:35 |  #24

It would be so nice if CMOS sensors can have electronic shutters. Atleast give me sync speed like those CCD sensors.


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Jul 19, 2012 14:54 |  #25

You could always get a Canon 1D if it is that important to you.

Personally I've used HSS. I hate ND filters for anything other than a static subject. Hard to see through, slows down focus etc...

I can count on one hand the number of times I've needed to use it. Doesn't justify buying a good ND filter when I already have what I need for HSS.


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Jul 19, 2012 15:18 |  #26

HSS guys/gals what modifiers you use if any? Can you show some sample shots to show what you can do with HSS. Thanks in advance.


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Jul 19, 2012 15:47 |  #27

pyrojim wrote in post #14740625 (external link)
YOU may find the usefulness of high speed sync limited for YOU.

I think there is incredible utility in the HSS option.

Errr....misread. Nevermind.




  
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Jul 19, 2012 16:02 |  #28

Wilt wrote in post #14740783 (external link)
It is a rare leaf shutter that exceeds 1/500!

Pretty much any of the hasselblad's digitals going back to the H1 will do 800 and the Phase One with the LS lenses with do 1600. The other thing is with LS lenses you can dial up the shutter speed beyond the flash sync and you will lose flash power but you won't get the black bars you get with FPS and if you have the flash power you can compensate.


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Jul 19, 2012 17:33 |  #29

bobbyz wrote in post #14740991 (external link)
HSS guys/gals what modifiers you use if any? Can you show some sample shots to show what you can do with HSS. Thanks in advance.

I finished reading Syl Arena's Speedliters Handbook about a month ago and details various shoots he utilized HSS. I just looked through a small portion of his blog and found this post: http://pixsylated.com …-about-high-speed-sync-2/ (external link)


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Jul 19, 2012 17:38 |  #30

bobbyz wrote in post #14740991 (external link)
HSS guys/gals what modifiers you use if any? Can you show some sample shots to show what you can do with HSS. Thanks in advance.

A couple of silly examples. No modifiers.

https://photography-on-the.net …p=14446495&post​count=7022

https://photography-on-the.net …p=14522192&post​count=7124




  
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