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Jul 20, 2012 14:51 |  #76

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how exactly do you envisage an optical viewfinder without mirrors?

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Jul 20, 2012 15:05 |  #77

HyperYagami wrote in post #14745682 (external link)
I kinda don't think that will be the case, based on history which they never hide those vital stuff buried in the menus, even if it's a touchscreen. But of course never say never...

Are you suggesting that they won't incorporate the priority modes at all? I highly, highly doubt that. That would set this camera below some of their point and shoots. If they aren't on the dials and buttons, then they're in the menus.


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Jul 20, 2012 15:12 as a reply to  @ darosk's post |  #78

check out the Olympus E-PM1:

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The screen shot pictured is activated by Menu button. You can go in to each mode and customize however you'd like. Controls are sparse, but by activating the Super Control Panel you just push the OK button to access most key parameters (ISO, exp comp, etc.).

The curious thing is that is Oly's lower end model, pretty much targeted as the step up option for P&S owners. Maybe Canon is shooting for the same demographic with their first mirrorless option. I think most of us were hoping for a shot across the bow of the E-M5. I think we'll need to be patient.

  
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Jul 20, 2012 15:14 |  #79

I just measured the sensor in relationship to the mount which I sized from the relationship to the 43mm front filter threads on the 22mm lens.

I came up with ~20.5mm x 15mm for the cutout size in the plastic directly in front of the sensor. This would suggest that the sensor is slightly smaller than Canon APS-C (22.2mm x 14.8mm) or my calculations are a hair off and the plastic is cut PERFECTLY to the Canon APS-C size with pretty much no buffer and the sensor is indeed 22.2mm x 14.8mm. Either way, the masking cut-out looks closer to a 3:2 ratio than 4:3 ratio, so read into that what you will (APS-C = 3:2, 1.5" = 4:3).


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Jul 20, 2012 15:20 |  #80

I just got an RX100 and I LOVE it, but I ain't gonna lie...the EOS-M shown looks pretty good to me. If it's the 1.5" sensor, then the lens works out to be a 41mm lens with f/3.7-ish DOF (in 35mm equivalence), which is very, very similar to the much-loved panny 20/1.7 (40mm @ f/3.4).

The only fly in the ointment to my eyes is the lack of a proper mode dial. That Nikon-1-ish mode dial on top reminds me of everything I dislike in the Nikon J1/V1s I've tried.


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Jul 20, 2012 15:21 |  #81

mpix345 wrote in post #14745784 (external link)
check out the Olympus E-PM1:

Yup, it isn't a far stretch at all to imagine that many of the options will be menu based. You may not be far off as far as the demographics thing goes.


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Jul 20, 2012 15:23 |  #82

AngryCorgi wrote in post #14745819 (external link)
That Nikon-1-ish mode dial on top reminds me of everything I dislike in the Nikon J1/V1s I've tried.

Canonrumors seems to agree with you. I think Canon only sees Nikon as it's direct competition - to Canon, everything everyone else does is inconsequential :lol:


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Jul 20, 2012 15:25 |  #83

Looks like a real hot shoe. One thing I don't like about the Nex is you're limited to their small flash. Would be nice to be able to throw a 430 on this thing when you want.


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Jul 20, 2012 15:33 |  #84

darosk wrote in post #14745736 (external link)
Are you suggesting that they won't incorporate the priority modes at all? I highly, highly doubt that. That would set this camera below some of their point and shoots. If they aren't on the dials and buttons, then they're in the menus.

yeah i hope so too. but you know canon DID cripple there stuff in the past...



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Jul 20, 2012 15:35 |  #85

Anyone have a guess at the price of the body and the body/prime combo??

For those expecting "competitive pricing":

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Jul 20, 2012 15:51 |  #86

darosk wrote in post #14745736 (external link)
Are you suggesting that they won't incorporate the priority modes at all? I highly, highly doubt that. That would set this camera below some of their point and shoots. If they aren't on the dials and buttons, then they're in the menus.

Yeah, the lack of dials on the body suggests to me that the screen is actually a touchscreen.


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Jul 20, 2012 15:52 |  #87

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I'm not fighting, I'm just stating MY opinion, just like everyone else is.

What's the big deal?

I just don't happen to agree with most of the others. That's all.

Besides, a little disagreement now and then never hurt anyone. It's fun. It livens things up.

But I guess everyone wants to have one big group hug while we all sit around a campfire and sing, "Kumbaya".

The thing is, most people are saying, "some people like small cameras", or at least, "there's a use in small cameras", without ever denying that big cameras have a place as well.

I just don't see what you're admitting to disagreeing with.




  
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Jul 20, 2012 16:21 |  #88

I wonder why they made such a large mount if it's a new size? The sensor only takes up a tiny amount of the available space. Perhaps they are leaving room for a larger sensor in the future?


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Jul 20, 2012 16:46 |  #89

HyperYagami wrote in post #14745875 (external link)
yeah i hope so too. but you know canon DID cripple there stuff in the past...

Funny comment as I've been thinking of the original EF-M. It was an EOS film camera back in the early 90's I suppose. The EF-M was Manual Focus only!...............it did not sell too well. :lol:


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Jul 20, 2012 16:48 |  #90

tkbslc wrote in post #14745674 (external link)
This is just one product. It doesn't have to be the whole line. Nex has some bodies very much like this and yet you are saying they are the one to get.

Canon is smart about business. A Leica like FF mirror less would sell in such small quanitities that they would have to charge Leica-like prices to make money. That only works if you are Leica. I mean look at the Fujifilm, it's $2k and it's only APS-C. A FF version would likely be in the $3-4000+ range.

True. A FF would cost a lot. Anyway, just came back from my local photo shop to get a T4i body>>>RECALLED :(:(:(

But,got to handle a NEX-7>>SWEET :D:D:D The photo of the Canon mirror-less still looks like a toy compared to the NEX-7.


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