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EOS M: M for Mirrorless

 
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Jul 20, 2012 20:44 |  #106

How upset will y'all be if the kit price of this cute little camera is $1000?? Remember the G1X was $800!


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Jul 20, 2012 20:49 |  #107

AngryCorgi wrote in post #14747109 (external link)
How upset will y'all be if the kit price of this cute little camera is $1000?? Remember the G1X was $800!

Who knows, but the basic specs of the G1X are above those of the EOS M, so...


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Jul 20, 2012 20:49 |  #108

AngryCorgi wrote in post #14747109 (external link)
How upset will y'all be if the kit price of this cute little camera is $1000?? Remember the G1X was $800!

One could argue the G1x has no competition. THis, however, has tons. It's appears to be a consumer level model (lack of control dials) so it has to compete with NEX C3, EPM-1, NX200, GF5, etc. Those are all $500-600. I could see them thinking they could get away with a $100 premium, but not $400.

Personally, I think this is the new T3 replacement. I expect $600 with the 18-55 and maybe $750-800 with the 22mm.


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Jul 20, 2012 21:11 |  #109

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Who knows, but the basic specs of the G1X are above those of the EOS M, so...

How so? The smaller sensor is better than an APSC sensor?? Those are the only known "specs" so far for the EOS-M and that's only due to the focal range of the kit lens that leaked. There are no other specs to even compare.


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Jul 20, 2012 21:31 |  #110

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How so? The smaller sensor is better than an APSC sensor?? Those are the only known "specs" so far for the EOS-M and that's only due to the focal range of the kit lens that leaked. There are no other specs to even compare.

Amongst other things, most people tend to assume that the G1X has a lens equivalent to a basic kit zoom so I can see the possibility for confusion. Things like external controls and articulated screens also cost money. I'd be surprised if the sensor in the G1X costs much less to make than the slightly bigger APS-C chip.


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Jul 20, 2012 21:38 |  #111

Luckypenguin wrote in post #14747268 (external link)
Amongst other things, most people tend to assume that the G1X has a lens equivalent to a basic kit zoom so I can see the possibility for confusion. Things like external controls and articulated screens also cost money. I'd be surprised if the sensor in the G1X costs much less to make than the slightly bigger APS-C chip.

IF this turns out to be touchscreen, LOTS of people would say the control and screen of this is way better (remember not everyone comes with a SLR mindset).

Choosing focus point via dial or joystick in a non-SLR form factor is an absolutely horrific idea (it's not great on SLR either, just there isn't a better way).



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Jul 20, 2012 21:39 |  #112

Luckypenguin wrote in post #14747268 (external link)
Amongst other things, most people tend to assume that the G1X has a lens equivalent to a basic kit zoom so I can see the possibility for confusion. Things like external controls and articulated screens also cost money. I'd be surprised if the sensor in the G1X costs much less to make than the slightly bigger APS-C chip.

Trust me, the G1X price had nothing to do with the articulated screen cost or a couple of control dials. They priced it that high because of the perceived lack of any real competition in fixed lens large sensor compacts. The second the RX100 was announced the price fell. Controls, articulated screen...pennies extra in reality.


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Jul 20, 2012 21:40 |  #113

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IF this turns out to be touchscreen, LOTS of people would say the control and screen of this is way better (remember not everyone comes with a SLR mindset).

Choosing focus point via dial or joystick in a non-SLR form factor is an absolutely horrific idea (it's not great on SLR either, just there isn't a better way).

I would seriously HOPE it is touch screen. Otherwise we'll be stuck with a NEX-esque menu diving experience, and nobody wants that! :confused:


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Jul 20, 2012 21:45 |  #114

HyperYagami wrote in post #14747285 (external link)
IF this turns out to be touchscreen, LOTS of people would say the control and screen of this is way better (remember not everyone comes with a SLR mindset).

It's funny that you say that. Every time I read a thread about mirrorless cameras on POTN it reminds me of the early days on Micro 4/3 when most of us still thought in terms of DSLRs and didn't have much experience in using mirrorless cams as a primary camera system.


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Jul 20, 2012 21:52 |  #115

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It's funny that you say that. Every time I read a thread about mirrorless cameras on POTN it reminds me of the early days on Micro 4/3 when most of us still thought in terms of DSLRs and didn't have much experience in using mirrorless cams as a primary camera system.

yeah. i'm sure down the down they'll have something looks a lot more like traditional SLR form factor, like pansonic's G5 or GH2.

this is probably the beginning of the end for the EF mount.



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Jul 20, 2012 21:53 |  #116

AngryCorgi wrote in post #14747289 (external link)
Trust me, the G1X price had nothing to do with the articulated screen cost or a couple of control dials. They priced it that high because of the perceived lack of any real competition in fixed lens large sensor compacts. The second the RX100 was announced the price fell. Controls, articulated screen...pennies extra in reality.

Having used various DSLRs and mirrorless cameras that sell in the similar price ballpark as the G1X, I find the price to be fair for the overall package that you get. The G1X was available for $700 virtually from it's release date even if the list price was $800. I'm judging it's value based on the price I paid for it.


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Jul 20, 2012 22:00 |  #117

HyperYagami wrote in post #14747346 (external link)
yeah. i'm sure down the down they'll have something looks a lot more like traditional SLR form factor, like pansonic's G5 or GH2.

this is probably the beginning of the end for the EF mount.

Erm, only if Canon stops making full frame cameras and wholly abandons their massive arsenal of pro lenses. I don't really see this happening any time soon.


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Jul 20, 2012 22:08 |  #118

Yeah, I wouldn't be worried about Canon's DSLR system dying anytime in the near future. Aside from the momentum of being an established standard with a huge array of lenses and accesories, DSLRs are still the better choice for some of the more specialised areas of photography. I also still see a lot of of resistance to the new class of small body/large sensor cameras that have emerged in the past few years. Not everyone will consider a smaller camera to be an advantage as well since things like grips and controls have to be shrunken or removed entirely.


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Jul 20, 2012 22:55 |  #119

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Erm, only if Canon stops making full frame cameras and wholly abandons their massive arsenal of pro lenses. I don't really see this happening any time soon.

But really, what stops them from doing a mirrorless FF only a few years down the road? I'd love to have a FF that's only as big as a Rebel.

That has happened before with FD and it will happen again. There's no reason for them, or even customers, to hang on to the current EF format when this EF-M catches up, IQ-wise, price-wise and performance-wise. Install-base doesn't mean much when the new offering is equal or clearly better than the old. It's a fine line they have to walk carefully, obviously, but Canon would love to milk your money again with this EF-M thing.

Technology rapidly progresses and m4/3 is already approaching APS-C's IQ and performance awfully fast as it is.



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Jul 20, 2012 23:52 |  #120

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400mm f2.8 lenses are 400mm f2.8 lenses. They aren't going to shrink because you make the mount 1 inch shallower.

+1. I'll keep my 5DII (and my almost bought T4i) for my "big" lenses. When I buy a mirror-less it will be for its small size, high quality (small) lenses and high resolution APS-C sensor.


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