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24-105 vs 15-85 on 7D: Help me choose

 
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Jul 22, 2012 11:28 |  #46

belias1989 wrote in post #14749999 (external link)
Just look around for a 24-105 that comes with a kit on 5Ds. 15-85 sort of have many negative specially on zoom creep. In the long run, that zoom creep might get worse. Plus it's not weather sealed. Distortion is another factor worth considering on a 15-85 add up the lack of hood which canon sell for a premium. Having a walk around lens in my perception is having more reach as possible more than wide view since if you really want landscape get a tripod and go for your 18-55 kit lens. Constant F4 and the macho red ring - lets face it it's that cool.

True the 15-85 has distortion at 15mm, but by 24mm it's resolved and is less than the distortion on the 24-105 at 24mm. And the distortion on the 15-85 is easily fixed in Lightroom 4 and other software. The zoom creep is not that bad and certainly no worse than most other zooms with heavy front elements. There have even been reports of the 24-105 creeping. As to the creep getting worse, the 15-85 has been around for quite a while and I have done extensive searches on this lens before and after I purchased it. I have yet to find a single report of the creep getting significantly worse over time. Usually the creep develops in the first few days or weeks and just stays that way. True, its not weather sealed, but this is not a thread about which is a better lens or a better built lens, it about which would better serve the needs of the OP.

With regard to your comments about using a tripod and an 18-55 for landscapes, I'm completely befuddled. First, when I'm out hiking to take landscapes I generally don't carry a tripod or extra lenses. so I'd have to live with the 18-55. Second, I wouldn't be able to use a polarizing filter on my 18-55, Third, the IQ of the 18-55 is not as good at the 15-85, Fourth, 15mm is way wider than 18mm for landscape use, and 85mm is way longer then 55m. Fifth, the 18-55 does not have FTMF, which I often use.

Your final comment "Constant F4 and the macho red ring - lets face it it's that cool." is a two parter. First, f4 is not that fast, and for outdoor landscapes in the light I shoot it's irrelevant. The second part of your last statement is also completely irrelevant. I'm not trying to impress anyone. Using the term "macho" in regard to a red ring? Yeah, its a real chick magnet.


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Jul 22, 2012 11:50 |  #47

15-85
I went from 24-105 to 17-55. one day I tried 15-85, and then I sold 17-55 and settle on this


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Jul 23, 2012 23:37 |  #48

skycolt wrote in post #14752273 (external link)
15-85
I went from 24-105 to 17-55. one day I tried 15-85, and then I sold 17-55 and settle on this

That is an interesting final choice. More often than not, in a comparison between those 3 lenses, the 15-85 usually comes in last since it's slower with a slightly less robust build quality, zoom creep, and many believe its IQ is not quite as good as the other two lenses. In the end, all three lenses are compromises of speed, focal range and IQ. You have to pick the one that best serves your needs.


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Jul 24, 2012 03:27 |  #49

mwsilver wrote in post #14760506 (external link)
That is an interesting final choice. More often than not, in a comparison between those 3 lenses, the 15-85 usually comes in last since it's slower with a slightly less robust build quality, zoom creep, and many believe its IQ is not quite as good as the other two lenses. In the end, all three lenses are compromises of speed, focal range and IQ. You have to pick the one that best serves your needs.

I agree, 15-85 is a good lens but an odd final choice after owning all three. I would mark this as second best for focal suitability, 3rd for IQ and build quality.

24-105, last for suitability (on a crop), second best IQ, 1st build quality.

17-55, first for suitability, 1st IQ, second on build quality.


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Jul 24, 2012 09:11 |  #50

Scooby888 wrote in post #14760983 (external link)
I agree, 15-85 is a good lens but an odd final choice after owning all three. I would mark this as second best for focal suitability, 3rd for IQ and build quality.

24-105, last for suitability (on a crop), second best IQ, 1st build quality.

17-55, first for suitability, 1st IQ, second on build quality.

I'm sure some will argue with your order of the IQ and the suitability on a crop. I think no one will dispute the build quality.

BTW, just looking at your lenses. Nice stuff. You're definitely not a prime kind of guy!


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Jul 24, 2012 09:31 |  #51

mwsilver wrote in post #14761762 (external link)
I'm sure some will argue with your order of the IQ and the suitability on a crop. I think no one will dispute the build quality.

BTW, just looking at your lenses. Nice stuff. You're definitely not a prime kind of guy!

Thanks Mark, I seem to be collecting lenses and never able to sell any! I really need to rationalise my range but tend to end up using most at some point.

The review I give will only be my opinion based on practical experience and always somewhat subjective, but hopefully will be of some help to others.

The 24-105 is a great lens on a ff, but 24 isn't wide enough for me on a crop. My canon 17-55 is sharper than my 24-70 and by 24-105 and with the IS in low light produces great results.

My only slight gripe with the 17-55 is no weather proofing and the fact I try and keep a filter on it until indoor work to avoid dust finding its way in.


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Jul 25, 2012 15:48 |  #52

I went for the 15-85 and wow! After a little micro adjustment on my 7D I get razor sharp images,
The focal range suits me just fine and I am amazed by the IQ of this lens. Bokeh is nice and colors pop.
Thanks guys for helping me decide!


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Jul 25, 2012 15:57 as a reply to  @ postmand's post |  #53

Good choice... after trying the 24-105 and the 17-55, I ended up going with the 15-85mm too. Awesome range and razor sharp!




  
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Jul 25, 2012 15:59 |  #54

postmand wrote in post #14768843 (external link)
I went for the 15-85 and wow! After a little micro adjustment on my 7D I get razor sharp images,
The focal range suits me just fine and I am amazed by the IQ of this lens. Bokeh is nice and colors pop.
Thanks guys for helping me decide!

Its a great lens. Enjoy.


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Jul 25, 2012 17:19 |  #55

Recommend you look at your past shooting ranges. Do you have much between 15mm and 24mm? If so you'll probably miss it with the 24-105. I had a 17-85 that I decided to replace and I found that all but a very small percentage of my shots were below 24mm -- so got a 24-105L and find it perfect for my shooting style -- I liked the extra reach, the "feel" of the lens when shooting (something I think folks miss the importance of -- comfort/balance with your tool of choice can lend to better shots), and I felt superior focus speed (perhaps in part due to the constant f4). If I had a lot of shots below 24mm I think I'd have gone with a different choice.




  
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Aug 09, 2012 09:33 |  #56

I adore the image quality of my 15-85mm, but I'm always juggling lenses regardless. 15mm just isn't wide enough for my needs, the 10-22mm is my favourite lens. I'm not really gaining much with 15mm considering how much I need to bring out the 10-22mm. It might make sense to sell the 15-85mm for a 24-105mm if it gives an image quality improvement. I like the full frame compatibility might come in handy if I ever decide to get a 5D.
How does the 24-105mm compare to the 15-85mm in sharpness, and colour/contrast quality?


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Aug 09, 2012 10:29 |  #57

touji wrote in post #14741680 (external link)
If you don't mind switching lenses and shooting f5.6 on the long end of the Sigma 10-20, I would go with the 24-105! On the other hand, if you need a faster aperture shooting on the wide end and dont mind shooting f5.6 on the long end, go for the 15-85!

Of course, if you find yourself on the long end of the Sigma 18-200 a lot, might be worth getting the 15-85 and the 70-200.

This. You already have WA covered with the 10-20, so unless you are shooting wide all the time (or hate having to switch to the 10-20) the 24-105L seems a better fit for you. The 24-105L is also a bit faster (constant f4).

That having been said, the 15-85 is no slouch, quite comparable to the 24-105L is IQ and also very solidly built. You won't really go wrong with either choice. Oops, see you already go the 15-85. Enjoy your lens.


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Aug 09, 2012 10:47 |  #58

Mornnb wrote in post #14835277 (external link)
I adore the image quality of my 15-85mm, but I'm always juggling lenses regardless. 15mm just isn't wide enough for my needs, the 10-22mm is my favourite lens. I'm not really gaining much with 15mm considering how much I need to bring out the 10-22mm. It might make sense to sell the 15-85mm for a 24-105mm if it gives an image quality improvement. I like the full frame compatibility might come in handy if I ever decide to get a 5D.
How does the 24-105mm compare to the 15-85mm in sharpness, and colour/contrast quality?

If you're always going to the 10-22mm anyway, you might as well go with the 24-105mm. Its got a longer reach, better build, is faster, and will be useable on a FF body. The IQ is at least as good as the 15-85:and perhaps better, but it also only had 3 stops of IS vs 4 stops on the 15-85.


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Aug 09, 2012 11:43 |  #59

17-55.... Even though that wasn't an option :) it is to crop what the 24-70 should be... Sharp and IS


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Aug 09, 2012 14:00 |  #60

postmand wrote in post #14768843 (external link)
I went for the 15-85 and wow! After a little micro adjustment on my 7D I get razor sharp images,
The focal range suits me just fine and I am amazed by the IQ of this lens. Bokeh is nice and colors pop.
Thanks guys for helping me decide!

Hope you are having fun with that lens :)


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