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Jul 23, 2012 00:41 |  #31

This camera, from what I read so far, is lacking some major features comparing to it's competition. I want a MLIC and I am deciding between the Oly, Fuji and Canon. I want Canon honestly because I can use my EF lenses with it. But the main purpsoe of this lens is for travel and snapshots. I need to know the out of camera Jped color and IQ of this little guy beccause I am not palnning to sit down in front of lightroom to to PP all the raw pictures from this camera. I heard and saw a lot of good out of camera jpeg samples from the oly and fuji, hope Cnaon really make it right tho I expect the Jpeg IQ/color is very much the same as theT4i's.

Now I am hoping for Fast and accurate AF + super high out of the camera Jpeg quality including color and super accurate AWB. If those are achieved, I might be in for one ( given if Fujifilm doesn't have any new MLIC body to introduce this year).


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Jul 23, 2012 00:42 as a reply to  @ post 14754750 |  #32

does it have a swivel screen?


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Jul 23, 2012 00:45 |  #33

nonick wrote in post #14755081 (external link)
This camera, from what I read so far, is lacking some major features comparing to it's competition. I need to know the out of camera Jped color and IQ of this little guy. I expect it is very much same as the new T4i.

But it has the biggest feature - it uses my lenses I already have! (yes I've hear there is an adaptor for nex)




  
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Jul 23, 2012 00:47 |  #34

andrewopolis wrote in post #14754895 (external link)
Finally..

Canon unveils EOS M mirrorless: 18 MP APS-C, EF compatibility, $800 in October with 22mm lens

http://www.engadget.co​m …-eos-m-mirrorless-camera/ (external link)

That's why I go EF only LOL.. no point in getting that thing though. I need the S100's successor vs a mini DSLR.

The adapter will take ef-s as well;)


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Jul 23, 2012 00:51 |  #35

So is this the official EOS M thread? Kinda slow in here, guess there's not much interest :D

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All three of those have huge drawbacks, as does the new Canon. M4/3 has the little sensor, Sony's got terrible lenses, and Fuji has slow operation and an ambitious but funky sensor (not to mention a high price).

Huge? The difference between 1.6x and m4/3's 2x is about 2/3 of a stop in DOF control, and with the E-M5 the dynamic range and noise are no longer worlds different despite the sensor size difference. If you haven't been following along, m4/3 is now very close to the best APS-C in all metrics. In some ways the E-M5's sensor is actually better than Canon's best, particularly malleability of shadow areas. If you wanted to list a real drawback of m4/3 you could have listed continuous AF, which is pretty much a drawback of any mirrorless without on-sensor PDAF.

The Canon's drawbacks are a lack of EVF and manual control

Not a system-wide problem, easily remedied by putting out a higher end body, which had already been rumored even before this official release.

- but the hybrid AF could be fantastic, and if that 22mm lens turns out to be quality, it'll be by far the most appealing pancake on the mirrorless market.

Eh, I wouldn't go that far. I'm excited about a fast 35mm equivalent, but we're making a lot of assumptions here in terms of image quality and AF speed. Check out this video at about 2:07:
http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=bPyhM2x9gT8 (external link)

Wow that's slow. Is it using an adapted EF lens? Looks like there's a red dot on the top of the barrel, so I'm thinking it might be an EF lens plus the EF adapter. But isn't there on-sensor PDAF on this thing? I'm totally confused now as to why this was so slow to focus.

Long story short: we now have six companies making mirrorless cameras (I refuse to count the Pentax Q), and while none of them have gotten it completely right yet, there's now enough choice out there that most people should find something that works for them.

Does anybody count the Q? :lol:

Will Canon suffer from the same problem Sony and Samsung have with their APS-C mirrorless systems, i.e. lenses that aren't much smaller than DSLR lenses? To me that's a big question mark. Why bother with mirrorless if you're not looking for a smaller and lighter kit? If the EOS M lenses aren't significantly smaller than DSLR lenses it could still find a niche as a backup system for Canon DSLR shooters, but I can't see it finding wide adoption for people looking for a single/primary system without stellar and compact lenses.




  
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Jul 23, 2012 00:59 |  #36

^^ Go to the forum in my link. There are threads that have this beat by 2 days. One of them has 4 pages right now, so it's not slow over there.


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Jul 23, 2012 01:07 as a reply to  @ post 14754750 |  #37

Hands on video from DigitalCameraWorld on youtube: http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=Sa_9kNAMcIw (external link)

canon europe's promo vid for the EOS M: http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=vneVnFv3pz0 (external link)


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Jul 23, 2012 01:10 as a reply to  @ post 14754750 |  #38

APS-C - not particularly interesting.

Wake me when someone other than Leica release a full-frame version.




  
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Jul 23, 2012 01:12 as a reply to  @ post 14754750 |  #39

Very similar to Sony nex system. That means slow af and large lens than any dslr.

Ef-s and Ef lens will both require the $200 Ef-m adaptor. And this camera will slow down af include usm lenses. Adaptor + Ef lens will make this camera look like a lens cap and quite unbalanced.

If you want to feel the balance now, go to your local best buy and check out Sony nex and you will know the feel.

Based on the packaging of lens/camera/price/touc​h screen, eos m will compete w sony nex-5n instead of Nikon 1 or m4/3. Sony nex5n will have a new version by nov 2012. So it will have better sensor, more native nex mount lens and faster af. Canon will have a cheaper Ef adaptor and a nicer pancake lens. Very tough competition.

IMHO this is a decent first canon effort, I would skip the first gen until canon works out the issues.


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Jul 23, 2012 01:16 as a reply to  @ post 14754750 |  #40

One interesting comment on dpreview. This eos-m mount is limited to APS-c size. No ff mirror less is possible. Will need a larger opening if canon wants ff mirror less later and that means a different mount. That pretty much tells you the direction of this product for the foreseeable future.


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Jul 23, 2012 01:21 as a reply to  @ post 14754750 |  #41

Sold. Will pre-order in the morning. I bet there are some Nikon guys looking at their One's in disgust right about now.


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Jul 23, 2012 01:29 as a reply to  @ post 14754750 |  #42

My wife has the Sony nex3 for about 7 months now. I can safety say that I have zero desire to put a large lens on it. There is no easy way to shoot this style of camera w large lens since there is no evf. We just use it as a glorified p&s w better IQ and low light capability. We would take it to kids badly party and etc. if I have to choose again, I will take the new Sony rx100 instead for the smaller size camera, better sensor and better lens.


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Jul 23, 2012 01:34 |  #43

Shadowblade wrote in post #14755178 (external link)
APS-C - not particularly interesting.

Wake me when someone other than Leica release a full-frame version.

kinda agree. What really irks me is that pancake lens with the EF-M is an F2 lens, but for FF, they only release an F2.8 lens....... add to boot no 22mm EF-s lens.... way to ignore the croppers :P

I dont get why they would go to a new mount system as well.


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Jul 23, 2012 01:35 |  #44

Bigger sensor = bigger lens. No easy way to get around optical design requirement.

All these mirrorless cameras will all have same size lenses if they have same size sensor.

There are ways to cheat using build in lens sw correction like Samsung's nx series, but that will result in crappy corner iq.


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Jul 23, 2012 01:36 |  #45

EOS-M + Mount Adapter + EF/ efs lenses =

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