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Jul 23, 2012 16:13 |  #226
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Billginthekeys wrote in post #14758201 (external link)
No matter how you feel about this camera, I think expecting it to have the AF speed of a DSLR will be lining yourself up for dissapointment.

I've read a few posts on FM that state AF sucks. Don't know where they got that information.




  
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Jul 23, 2012 16:15 |  #227

Hogloff wrote in post #14758503 (external link)
I've read a few posts on FM that state AF sucks. Don't know where they got that information.

Imagingresource says 1.x seconds to acquire af.... that is slow.


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jacobsen1 wrote in post #14758248 (external link)
funny, I really want one. Also, Nikon has sold the CRAP out of the J1 and V1. I see them everywhere. They have a crappy body setup like this, a crappy lens selection like this, an adapter for native lenses but they also have a CRAPPY SENSOR! Canon shoe horns in a APS-C sensor and still keeps the body small and you guys ****? They'll sell a lot of these. They'll sell a lot of these to photo enthusiasts once you guys calm down and realize it's a X100 made my canon. Same effective FL, same sensor size, canon's IQ, it'll beat the X100 in both menus and AF for sure. That's a wonderful camera, but buggy as hell. Sure you're missing the dials on the lens and up top, but the controls via the screen will do that job.

http://www.imaging-resource.com …on-eos-m/canon-eos-mA.HTM (external link)

it's even smaller than my NEX5 which is TINY. I just hope the AF is good and the AA filter isn't too strong.

You really thinks so. Try doing street photography while composing through the LCD and selecting focus points through the LCD and changing aperatures through the LCD and changing shutter through the LCD...get the point.

By the time you do all that with the touch screen, your subject is long gone.

I think it will be a nice gimmick, but doing everything through the LCD will definately make you miss shots.

As far as the X100 goes, the latest firmware has really improved the AF and menu system. I use it for street photography and have not problems with it. Even though obviously I have not used this new camera, but just having to do everything through a touch screen makes me take my eyes of the subject which is a no-go for me.




  
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Jul 23, 2012 16:19 |  #229
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Tommydigi wrote in post #14758312 (external link)
I wonder why anyone would want an S100 or G1x now that this is available.

I don't think its realistic to expect it to perform like a 7D but the Sony NEX has quick autofocus so I would expect it to be decent.

Maybe 1/2 the cost. If you use that logic, why would anyone want a 7D when the 1DX is available?




  
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Jul 23, 2012 16:19 |  #230

jacobsen1 wrote in post #14758248 (external link)
funny, I really want one. Also, Nikon has sold the CRAP out of the J1 and V1. I see them everywhere. They have a crappy body setup like this, a crappy lens selection like this, an adapter for native lenses but they also have a CRAPPY SENSOR! Canon shoe horns in a APS-C sensor and still keeps the body small and you guys ****? They'll sell a lot of these. They'll sell a lot of these to photo enthusiasts once you guys calm down and realize it's a X100 made my canon. Same effective FL, same sensor size, canon's IQ, it'll beat the X100 in both menus and AF for sure. That's a wonderful camera, but buggy as hell. Sure you're missing the dials on the lens and up top, but the controls via the screen will do that job.

http://www.imaging-resource.com …on-eos-m/canon-eos-mA.HTM (external link)

it's even smaller than my NEX5 which is TINY. I just hope the AF is good and the AA filter isn't too strong.

Agree on all points. But Ben when have we seen a camera announcement that doesn't get bashed? :lol:


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Jul 23, 2012 16:23 |  #231

Charlie wrote in post #14758514 (external link)
Imagingresource says 1.x seconds to acquire af.... that is slow.

"I'll gladly retract all these words, returning to this preview to make all the necessary changes if Canon makes speed improvements over the T4i's Hybrid AF, but I'd be remiss not to report that if the AF system is "just like the T4i" a lot of buyers are going to be frustrated with the EOS M. I only saw a prototype EOS M, but it seemed to perform just as the T4i did with the same lenses."

basically that means, they never had it, they never used it, everything they had was t4i's live view mode to guess upon.



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Jul 23, 2012 16:24 |  #232

why would anyone want a 7D when the 1DX is available?

Well a 1Dx is like 7k but the G1x is around the same price as the M. I guess an S100 is a different category but still its fairly close in price.


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Jul 23, 2012 16:26 |  #233

Hogloff wrote in post #14758525 (external link)
You really thinks so. Try doing street photography while composing through the LCD and selecting focus points through the LCD and changing aperatures through the LCD and changing shutter through the LCD...get the point.

By the time you do all that with the touch screen, your subject is long gone.

I think it will be a nice gimmick, but doing everything through the LCD will definately make you miss shots.

As far as the X100 goes, the latest firmware has really improved the AF and menu system. I use it for street photography and have not problems with it. Even though obviously I have not used this new camera, but just having to do everything through a touch screen makes me take my eyes of the subject which is a no-go for me.


OK so you do the same thing on a dSLR. Sure you can spin dials and push buttons but if you are changing every single setting plus choosing a single focus point you are still taking seconds to take the photo.

Or you could use aperture priority and choose center point. Auto ISO. Half press, AF, compose. Click. The Rebels all have menu based functions for the most part and I rarely see people telling potential buyers not to get them because of these types of 'problems'.

Seriously seems like people are bashing just to bash.


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Jul 23, 2012 16:27 |  #234

Charlie wrote in post #14758514 (external link)
Imagingresource says 1.x seconds to acquire af.... that is slow.

From what I read on the Imagingresource website, they are only speculating on the EOS M Liveview AF speed based on what they thought was slow Livevew AF in their incomplete/partial review of the T4i: http://www.imaging-resource.com …on-eos-m/canon-eos-mA.HTM (external link)

I would expect the Phase Detection AF to be just as fast as other APS-C cameras.

Comparisons.

As I've mentioned, the Canon EOS M feels great to hold and use, with a great feel, good heft, and a fast interface, working just like the T4i. In fact, as we were briefed about the EOS M, "just like the T4i" was repeated often. Unfortunately, they also said that about the EOS M's Hybrid Autofocus system, introduced just a few months ago on the T4i. We've been waiting for the T4i's main kit lens to arrive, the 18-135mm STM lens, so we haven't completed our review. But the sad truth is that the T4i's Live View mode autofocus is terribly slow. Both the T4i and EOS M have a new sensor with phase-detect sites embedded near the center, as well as contrast-detection autofocus. But the Live View autofocus speed is very slow on the T4i with the 40mm STM lens, averaging more than 1.2 seconds to autofocus in single-point mode, and more than 1.7 seconds in multi-point AF mode. That's just unworkable in a modern mirrorless camera.


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Jul 23, 2012 16:29 |  #235

Hogloff wrote in post #14758525 (external link)
selecting focus points through the LCD

and you think using that retarded joystick/dial combo to choose from only a set of fixed focus points is BETTER!?



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Jul 23, 2012 16:31 |  #236

HyperYagami wrote in post #14758581 (external link)
and you think using that retarded joystick/dial combo to choose from only a set of fixed focus points is BETTER!?

Selecting a place to focus on the iphone seems to be quick ;) :lol:


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Jul 23, 2012 16:38 |  #237

Tommydigi wrote in post #14758557 (external link)
Well a 1Dx is like 7k but the G1x is around the same price as the M. I guess an S100 is a different category but still its fairly close in price.

$365 is "fairly close" to $800?


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Jul 23, 2012 16:38 |  #238

AF looks pretty slow. Comparable to a compact camera. It's like it has to to think about it. Maybe it's just the touch screen focus, but I don't feel too confident about it performing well.

Some tests in this video at about 1:25: http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=Sa_9kNAMcIw (external link)

Compare with the $450 E-PM1: http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=9eI-iqw5Z74 (external link)

And E-P3 with the reportedly slow focusing 20mm f1.7 using touch focus: http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=dnkwcJNgexY (external link)


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Jul 23, 2012 16:53 |  #239

great camera but not for the price... I would get it used two years from now for 350...


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Jul 23, 2012 16:54 |  #240

tkbslc wrote in post #14758621 (external link)
AF looks pretty slow. Comparable to a compact camera. It's like it has to to think about it. Maybe it's just the touch screen focus, but I don't feel too confident about it performing well.

Some tests in this video at about 1:25: http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=Sa_9kNAMcIw (external link)

Compare with the $450 E-PM1: http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=9eI-iqw5Z74 (external link)

And E-P3 with the reportedly slow focusing 20mm f1.7 using touch focus: http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=dnkwcJNgexY (external link)

Slow here too about 2:07 in:
http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=bPyhM2x9gT8 (external link)

... although that looks like an adapted EF lens with the red dot you can see at the top of the barrel indicating the adapter. Here's Canon's own promotional video, about 0:17 in:
http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=p5kqOaeWQfc (external link)

Looks slowish with the 22mm too. Too little info to make an informed decision, but early videos point to some AF sluggishness.




  
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