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Canon M= A DUD

 
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Jul 24, 2012 08:44 as a reply to  @ post 14761603 |  #31

One day, we'll remember this camera as the EOS-M classic.


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Jul 24, 2012 10:59 |  #32

The nice thing about it's design is that it looks like any other powershot really and so when the folks take it into a pawn shop or someone passes, it'll be mistaken and end up for $25 at the Good will display case next to the Kodaks from 2002.


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Jul 24, 2012 20:20 |  #33

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Is it possible to pull the mirror out of a DSLR? Making it a Mirrorless and use LV all the time?

I think not. At least on the 40D if I understand correctly, the Mirror must be in place for the AF Sensors to function. Live View does not AF while engaged. Live View turns off for AF/AE, then returns.


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Jul 24, 2012 20:30 |  #34

CanonCameraFan wrote in post #14764774 (external link)
I think not. At least on the 40D if I understand correctly, the Mirror must be in place for the AF Sensors to function. Live View does not AF while engaged. Live View turns off for AF/AE, then returns.

Crazy. Guess the OP won't be able to make himself a mirrorless DSLR :p

Thanks for the info! It's always fun to learn new things about how our cameras work.


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Jul 25, 2012 13:02 |  #35

I find the OP quite hilarious. Starting a thread to try and bash one of Canon's most successful products ever, and it hasn't even started shipping yet!


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Jul 25, 2012 13:07 |  #36

CanonCameraFan wrote in post #14764774 (external link)
I think not. At least on the 40D if I understand correctly, the Mirror must be in place for the AF Sensors to function. Live View does not AF while engaged. Live View turns off for AF/AE, then returns.

I don't know, somewhere here there was a thread about a mirror falling out and the poster continued to use the camera.




  
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Jul 25, 2012 18:24 |  #37

Everything in his VF would have been upside down and backwards right?! Sounds like it could be one hell of a fun time :D


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Jul 26, 2012 04:37 |  #38

The only reason this camera is a DUD is because it is not full frame. I was hoping for a Leica M9 / M10 killer, but instead they gave us a mirrorless rebel.

The saddest part is that the EF-M mount is 58mm in diameter, with a flange distance of 18mm from the bayonet to the sensor. In other words clearly matched specifically to the APS-C sensor size, which means that a future full frame version is not going to happen.




  
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Jul 26, 2012 10:27 |  #39

Looks to me like it might be targeted to the HD video crowd.


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Jul 26, 2012 10:34 |  #40

Osiriz wrote in post #14771479 (external link)
The only reason this camera is a DUD is because it is not full frame. I was hoping for a Leica M9 / M10 killer, but instead they gave us a mirrorless rebel.

The saddest part is that the EF-M mount is 58mm in diameter, with a flange distance of 18mm from the bayonet to the sensor. In other words clearly matched specifically to the APS-C sensor size, which means that a future full frame version is not going to happen.

As pointed out in the other thread, the full frame mirrorless market is a niche market, and a large corporation like Canon will most likely NEVER release a mass production unit to fulfill a niche market.


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Jul 26, 2012 10:39 |  #41

touji wrote in post #14772571 (external link)
As pointed out in the other thread, the full frame mirrorless market is a niche market, and a large corporation like Canon will most likely NEVER release a mass production unit to fulfill a niche market.

This is something that I have heard a few times before.

I'd love to hear an explanation why a mirrorless camera with FF-sensor (better image quality, better noise handling, better DOF capabilities, e.t.c) is a niche product?? ..This I do not understand.

A mirrorless FF is basically the ultimate camera for landscaping, architecture and travel photography.




  
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Jul 26, 2012 10:58 |  #42

Osiriz wrote in post #14772582 (external link)
This is something that I have heard a few times before.

I'd love to hear an explanation why a mirrorless camera with FF-sensor (better image quality, better noise handling, better DOF capabilities, e.t.c) is a niche product?? ..This I do not understand.

A mirrorless FF is basically the ultimate camera for landscaping, architecture and travel photography.

No. A Large format camera is the ultimate for landscape, architecture and for travel I'd say a camera like the eos-M.
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Jul 26, 2012 11:09 |  #43

Osiriz wrote in post #14772582 (external link)
This is something that I have heard a few times before.

I'd love to hear an explanation why a mirrorless camera with FF-sensor (better image quality, better noise handling, better DOF capabilities, e.t.c) is a niche product?? ..This I do not understand.

A mirrorless FF is basically the ultimate camera for landscaping, architecture and travel photography.

because it is too expensive? Also FF requires bigger lenses so it drives against the small form factor.

somewhere in the APS-C to micro 4/3 area is the sweet spot between size and IQ.

i bet Canon sell thousands of times more Rebels than Leica do M9s.




  
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Jul 26, 2012 11:26 |  #44

Osiriz wrote in post #14772582 (external link)
This is something that I have heard a few times before.

I'd love to hear an explanation why a mirrorless camera with FF-sensor (better image quality, better noise handling, better DOF capabilities, e.t.c) is a niche product?? ..This I do not understand.

A mirrorless FF is basically the ultimate camera for landscaping, architecture and travel photography.

It's a niche market because a FF mirrorless would be quite large, and at this point, crazy expensive. Hence, niche market.


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Jul 26, 2012 11:47 |  #45

Osiriz wrote in post #14771479 (external link)
The only reason this camera is a DUD is because it is not full frame. I was hoping for a Leica M9 / M10 killer, ... .

I don't think the EOS M will be destined to be a dud. However, it would of been outstanding if it was full frame. Then no second thoughts about getting one.


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