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Aug 02, 2012 16:29 as a reply to  @ post 14805774 |  #16

Wilt, the "voodoo" math you used to somehow calculate that IT WOULD BE OKAY to flash someone in their face in a potentially dangerous situation and then somehow correlate it to a "texting-and-driving" scenario, defies any logic and basic common sense.

All sorts of events prohibit flash photography for just this reason. Watch any NFL game and pay attention to the dozens of photographers surrounding the field and you'll notice that not one uses a flash during the game. The NFL forbids it. It's not becuase the lighting is "good enough." Common sense and basic human courtesy would dictate you don't flash someone under these circumstances.

Could you help me out please? I have another question...Using your logic, could you please figure out for me what the acceptable flash speed would be when a player is wearing black sun-refelctive makeup under his eyes? I'm guessing we could shoot even faster under such conditions.

...ridiculous!


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Aug 02, 2012 16:37 |  #17

NFL mandate of no flash is to eliminate the many distractions of many dozens of photojournalists pressing the shutter release at some key time (causing player to miss catching the pass, etc.)
Having shot high school sports from the sidelines as a sole photojournalistic covering the event, always with flash because of ISO 400 film limitations and the fact that games were always at night, I can also state that no players ever made any comments to me about electronic flash distraction. Had any of them made a comment, I certainly would have modified when I shot so as to not distract the members of my own school's athletes (and also maybe even used it tactically against the other team!) ;)

The photo showed athletes walking down the stairs, not making a critical play. If flash of folks were inherently dangerous, there would be many reported incidents of home accidents from folks falling down stairs because mom or dad took their photo, I am sure. And even from the 1/100 sec. blackout caused simply by blinking the eye.


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Aug 02, 2012 19:05 |  #18

I will go back tomorrow morning.

I see the argument about safety with regards to the flash, but since it was bright outside I'm not sure about the validity. It WOULD be an issue for the people around me. Some with small children on shoulders etc.

also I just think working with some limitations, thinking about how to best deal with them in a hectic environment, will improve my skills a bit. I was shocked how poor my decision making on aperture and composition dropped when I couldn't solve the metering issue.




  
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Aug 02, 2012 19:12 |  #19

You have a good angle there with the sign in the background. Just use your flash tomorrow. Purebrad is logically correct about using a flash during an NFL game, however it not illegal, unless it is a new rule this year. I've never seen anyone shoot toward the field with one during the game, but there are some pretty compelling reasons to carry one body with a flash onto the sidelines.

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Aug 02, 2012 20:00 |  #20

two short stories- 1- I have seen a coach go balistic on an amateur using flash on the sidelines after his 3 handed receiver blew what should have been an easy catch. Personally I thought the kid might have been more distracted by trying to make the catch and look good doing it in front of the camera than by the on-board flash. Everyone felt bad for the poor guy, both athlete and photographer.

Second story- I see a particular photographer using fill flash for everything at our local drag strip, often pointed right in the drivers face just seconds before he will be watching the starter lights (christmas tree) and trying to react as quickly as possible to them. He is there all the time, obviously with a full access pass and evidently the drivers don't care or he ignores their complaints.

I can understand feeling self conciouse with aflash on, especially in what a newby would consider "great" light, but you have to do what is necessary to get some shots and risk reactions ranging from 'doesn't know what they are doing' to ' you just killed our chances of winning'.


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Aug 02, 2012 20:11 as a reply to  @ birdfromboat's post |  #21

"Second story- I see a particular photographer using fill flash for everything at our local drag strip, often pointed right in the drivers face just seconds before he will be watching the starter lights (christmas tree) and trying to react as quickly as possible to them. He is there all the time, obviously with a full access pass and evidently the drivers don't care or he ignores their complaints. "

I saw photographers at the Gator Nationals (which was my first time shooting a drag race) using flash at the start. Obviously the NHRA doesn't care.


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