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Jul 31, 2012 13:35 |  #16

David Ransley wrote in post #14793619 (external link)
I am also coming to the conclusion that you end up blending shots to get the final result. A single exposure is good, but not good enough.

The shot below was taken the same night when all the clouds moved on. The stars looked so beautiful and due to the rain, the sky was "dust free".

This one is not a nightscape, and I left it slightly dark - but on my laptop, the light shines nicely through the image. I think I used two 20 second exposures loaded them as HDR images in a trial version of CS6 to see what Photoshop could do.

hmmm HDR huh? never heard of that technique in a milky way shot
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Jul 31, 2012 14:09 |  #17

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Here is another example with a different white balance. The milky way is just barely visible to the right of the mountain.
This is a blended image of 3 exposures where the stars shot was taken around 1:00 am
maybe needs more adjusting?
but still a decent shot I think

Is that from Trillium Lake?
EDIT: I'm almost positive that's Trillium Lake. If so, you're shooting the wrong direction.
You want to be shooting south. You'll get the brightest part of the milky way, and most likely be pointed away from the big city lights.




  
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Jul 31, 2012 14:13 |  #18

I've managed to get ok results with one shot.
I got some trailing on the outer edges, and the WB is intentionally off to look that way.
The JPG compression of the upload to here killed the clarity.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1187992




  
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Jul 31, 2012 16:21 |  #19

bdillon wrote in post #14795983 (external link)
Is that from Trillium Lake?
EDIT: I'm almost positive that's Trillium Lake. If so, you're shooting the wrong direction.
You want to be shooting south. You'll get the brightest part of the milky way, and most likely be pointed away from the big city lights.

Yes it is Trillium, Oh thanks for the advice, that sounds like a great idea. I guess I just wished the mountain was located a little more west in orientation so I could have gotten both!




  
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Jul 31, 2012 16:25 |  #20

bdillon wrote in post #14796005 (external link)
I've managed to get ok results with one shot.
I got some trailing on the outer edges, and the WB is intentionally off to look that way.
The JPG compression of the upload to here killed the clarity.

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1187992

great shot, sorry about the hippies.
so no stacking just a single image?
I would love to hear your settings and post processing technique for that shot to get so much contrast in the MW.

PS about the JPG compression, Image quality is not lost if you upload your image to say Flickr, and then use its image scaling code to then paste in this forum. Thats what I do




  
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Jul 31, 2012 16:38 |  #21

esanders101 wrote in post #14796574 (external link)
Yes it is Trillium, Oh thanks for the advice, that sounds like a great idea. I guess I just wished the mountain was located a little more west in orientation so I could have gotten both!

There's a NICE elevated spot just outside of Hood River where I took this shot.
Wide angle lens, pointed to the left, you'll get it AND the milky way.

I took it from this park:

https://maps.google.co​m …od+River,+Orego​n&t=m&z=14 (external link)

Later in the evening you could probably get it passing right over.

The pic I took was from Dee Wright Observatory up in the McKenzie Pass. It's SO freaking dark there you can't see your hand in front of your face.
The closest city is Sisters, which is like 18 miles away, and with a population of like 2000, it's not that big.

The shot was 30 seconds with a 16-35 F/2.8 II L at 30 @ 16mm. ISO I think was around 2000. Post is fairly simple, first I reduced noise, unsharp mask, and tonal contrast using NIK Color Efex Pro. I may have used a little clarity in Lightroom. I also tweaked highlights and shadows.

I then cooled the white balance and added a little magenta to make it look the way it does.

You looking for a photog buddy in the area?




  
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Jul 31, 2012 16:57 |  #22

I think some people forget that the best milky way shots are more impressive, because they had the most optimal conditions to shoot, to begin with. Always plan your shoot around the new moon for darkest skies, and then hope that there is very little atmosphere, even humidity affects things. Wait for later in the evening when the blue leaves the sky. Shoot during the summer as the MW is best then.

No light pollution from towns, etc.. tripod, mirror lock up and remote trigger, blah blah..

For me in post, I rarely exceeded 2500-3200 noise, so that meant I was normally bringing up shadows and countering the underexposure with aggressive levels and curves.

I shoot most milky way shots now, with the 24LII on a 5D3. I'll stop down to about ƒ1.8 or ƒ2. ISO 3200 and away you go.

These were very dark skies as far as skies go.

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Jul 31, 2012 17:51 |  #23

bdillon wrote in post #14796633 (external link)
There's a NICE elevated spot just outside of Hood River where I took this shot.
Wide angle lens, pointed to the left, you'll get it AND the milky way.

I took it from this park:

https://maps.google.co​m …od+River,+Orego​n&t=m&z=14 (external link)

Later in the evening you could probably get it passing right over.

The pic I took was from Dee Wright Observatory up in the McKenzie Pass. It's SO freaking dark there you can't see your hand in front of your face.
The closest city is Sisters, which is like 18 miles away, and with a population of like 2000, it's not that big.

The shot was 30 seconds with a 16-35 F/2.8 II L at 30 @ 16mm. ISO I think was around 2000. Post is fairly simple, first I reduced noise, unsharp mask, and tonal contrast using NIK Color Efex Pro. I may have used a little clarity in Lightroom. I also tweaked highlights and shadows.

I then cooled the white balance and added a little magenta to make it look the way it does.

You looking for a photog buddy in the area?

Oops, forgot to post the shot of Mt. Hood from Hood River.
That's the north side of the mountain. No reflection in the water, though.
I think Lost lake is on the west side. Google that, it might work to get a milky way reflection.


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Jul 31, 2012 20:59 as a reply to  @ bdillon's post |  #24

My humble T1i captured this in 2010
-at my home in Howell,Mich, some light pollution
-shot in RAW with kit lens 18-55 IS (18mm, ISO800, f3.5, 20 sec) ,
-stacked via DSS with 39 light images, 10 dark images, 15 bias images, 20 flat frames
-all post DSS PP done in Apple Aperture 3.0 (slight crop, curves, levels, saturation, vibrancy, slight sharpen)
Shooting the Milky Way: C&C for success strategies

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In Hillman Mich, pretty dark skies
I then did a study of single exposure vs multiple exposure....all part of the learning process
MilkyWay: single 30 sec then CS5 vs DSS
Single
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vs

multiple/stacked
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Jul 31, 2012 22:10 |  #25

Great stuff Todd.
Im guessing you stack your images? I heard that stacking causes a little bit of blur in the stars?
any tips on a program like DSS that works for mac?




  
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Jul 31, 2012 22:11 |  #26

mtbdudex wrote in post #14797699 (external link)
My humble T1i captured this in 2010
-at my home in Howell,Mich, some light pollution
-shot in RAW with kit lens 18-55 IS (18mm, ISO800, f3.5, 20 sec) ,
-stacked via DSS with 39 light images, 10 dark images, 15 bias images, 20 flat frames
-all post DSS PP done in Apple Aperture 3.0 (slight crop, curves, levels, saturation, vibrancy, slight sharpen)
Shooting the Milky Way: C&C for success strategies
QUOTED IMAGE

In Hillman Mich, pretty dark skies
I then did a study of single exposure vs multiple exposure....all part of the learning process
MilkyWay: single 30 sec then CS5 vs DSS
Single
QUOTED IMAGE
vs

multiple/stacked
QUOTED IMAGE


Unfortunately I have a Mac and DSS won't work, any other programs work for mac as well?
Also your shots look good, how important is it to have dark frames, light frames...etc in a stack?




  
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Jul 31, 2012 22:57 |  #27

esanders101 wrote in post #14798020 (external link)
Great stuff Todd.
Im guessing you stack your images? I heard that stacking causes a little bit of blur in the stars?
any tips on a program like DSS that works for mac?

Thank you.

Actually none of my shots are stacked. The 4th image is a 3shot shifted pano, but other than that, these are all single exposures.




  
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Aug 01, 2012 00:01 |  #28

Todd Lambert wrote in post #14798196 (external link)
Thank you.

Actually none of my shots are stacked. The 4th image is a 3shot shifted pano, but other than that, these are all single exposures.

Great work, as you said as your key, dark skies. I really admire that pano, did you do anything else special in pp? contrast adjustment maybe? I love how you got those colors




  
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Aug 04, 2012 08:28 |  #29

esanders101 wrote in post #14795820 (external link)
hmmm HDR huh? never heard of that technique in a milky way shot
Interesting

Yes, the one below is a 15,25 and 30 second exposure. Manually aligned, cropped and dumped into an HDR process. The Photoshop preset was for saturation.

I notice that uploading it to this forum softens the image a lot. Wonder why?


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Aug 06, 2012 00:46 |  #30

bdillon wrote in post #14796633 (external link)
There's a NICE elevated spot just outside of Hood River where I took this shot.
Wide angle lens, pointed to the left, you'll get it AND the milky way.

I took it from this park:

https://maps.google.co​m …od+River,+Orego​n&t=m&z=14 (external link)

Later in the evening you could probably get it passing right over.

The pic I took was from Dee Wright Observatory up in the McKenzie Pass. It's SO freaking dark there you can't see your hand in front of your face.
The closest city is Sisters, which is like 18 miles away, and with a population of like 2000, it's not that big.

The shot was 30 seconds with a 16-35 F/2.8 II L at 30 @ 16mm. ISO I think was around 2000. Post is fairly simple, first I reduced noise, unsharp mask, and tonal contrast using NIK Color Efex Pro. I may have used a little clarity in Lightroom. I also tweaked highlights and shadows.

I then cooled the white balance and added a little magenta to make it look the way it does.

You looking for a photog buddy in the area?


haha yeah that might be a great idea!




  
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