Rumored Canon 6D

I don't know if anyone else is tracking this, but there are rumors that Canon is coming out with a new full frame camera (22 MP) sometime around October. It is said to be a little smaller than the 7D and under $2200. Here is a link to one of the many sites that are talking to this rumor. Will be interesting to see the final specs if it is true.

http://www.petapixel.c​om …not-arrive-until-october/

if it comes out with all the features of a 5diii but with a more rebel-like body for 2/3 of the price i'm not going to be too happy with canon. if i were a canon executive i'd be looking at the 6d for an entry level ff. i'd give it a lot of the features of the 5dii in a less expensive, lighter body like the rebel line. i'd leave the 7dii as a crop but i'd improve the high iso capabilities to the level of the 5diii. i want to add a 1.6 crop body back to my equipment list but i want to see some improvements before i do. as a hobbyist if i had had a choice between an inexpensive, light bodied full frame body for 14 or 15 hundred dollars less i'm not sure which i would have chosen. i was pretty well sold on spending the extra money on the 5diii over the 5dii when i decided to take the plunge. but, i'm sure a lot of people would spend 4 or 5 hundred more for an entry level full frame over a 7d. it sounds like a smart move for canon to me.

Is trade my 7D for that entry level full frame if it indeed materializes. I know there is talk of this in the rumors forum, but it sounds pretty cool and may be my foray into fill frame soon

Almondsaz wrote in post #14844220
I don't know if anyone else is tracking this, but there are rumors that Canon is coming out with a new full frame camera (22 MP) sometime around October. It is said to be a little smaller than the 7D and under $2200. Here is a link to one of the many sites that are talking to this rumor. Will be interesting to see the final specs if it is true.

http://www.petapixel.c​om …not-arrive-until-october/

Why aren't we on the rumor section?

bbb1919 wrote in post #14844499
Why aren't we on the rumor section?

I didn't realize there was one.....

It could be a entry-level full frame camera with a 9pt AF system - possibly all crosstype like in the new T4i. They might give it the 7D's AF system, but I think if they do that, it could rub some new 5D3 owners the wrong way (me not being one of them - the 5D3's AF system is still leaps and bounds above the 7D) - and the 6D could become a "mini 5D3" if it is given a decent AF system. If it is given the rebel/ XXD AF system, crosstype or no, then it definately fits into the non-existant "entry-level" FF camera niche that I think Canon could benefit from having. It could be a nifty backup body as well, with 22mp going for it, in a smaller body

I'm surprised Canon feel the need for yet another offering in this crowded segment of the market. While Nikon are left free to reap the financial rewards of their D800 efforts. What Canon needs is a very strong 1Ds, with market leading DR and MP count, thats the sector they should be concentrating their efforts on.

It could be ;;;;; non-existent. And that'd make me, and a lot of 5D3 owners happy!

Really though, if they wanted to do it right, they'd make it 8 to 12 MP, full frame, with the 5D2's 9 point AF system. After all, that'd be about the right ratio to give for it.. Yeah, 8 to 12 mp. and a 2.5 " LCD.

bbb1919 wrote in post #14844499
Why aren't we on the rumor section?

Were is that ?

Lowner wrote in post #14844676
I'm surprised Canon feel the need for yet another offering in this crowded segment of the market. While Nikon are left free to reap the financial rewards of their D800 efforts. What Canon needs is a very strong 1Ds, with market leading DR and MP count, thats the sector they should be concentrating their efforts on.

the number of people that will spend the money it would take to buy a re-vamped 1ds body compared to the number of people that would buy an entry level ff body is miniscule. from a business stand point high volume sales vs. very low volume sales in a sluggish world economy makes a lot of sense. maybe they lose a 3rd of their market share of the professional photographers but they gain a larger portion of a much larger demographic. also, the 1/3 figure is pulled out of the air. how many people will just up and change to another brand if they have tens of thousands invested into their existing kit? how many people that get to step into full frame photography at a discount will also upgrade a lens or two? i think it would be a brilliant move. the entry level body is made with more economical materials and probably sells at a respectable profit margin and i'd bet that lenses generate a lot more profit than bodies. so, sell the bodies and you have a large group of consumers committed to buying your lenses.

wayne.robbins wrote in post #14844686
It could be ;;;;; non-existent. And that'd make me, and a lot of 5D3 owners happy!

Really though, if they wanted to do it right, they'd make it 8 to 12 MP, full frame, with the 5D2's 9 point AF system. After all, that'd be about the right ratio to give for it.. Yeah, 8 to 12 mp. and a 2.5 " LCD.

kind of a technologically updated 5dc in an economical body maybe? that would be a very good camera.

rwhardy wrote in post #14844744
the number of people that will spend the money it would take to buy a re-vamped 1ds body compared to the number of people that would buy an entry level ff body is miniscule. from a business stand point high volume sales vs. very low volume sales in a sluggish world economy makes a lot of sense. maybe they lose a 3rd of their market share of the professional photographers but they gain a larger portion of a much larger demographic. also, the 1/3 figure is pulled out of the air. how many people will just up and change to another brand if they have tens of thousands invested into their existing kit? how many people that get to step into full frame photography at a discount will also upgrade a lens or two? i think it would be a brilliant move. the entry level body is made with more economical materials and probably sells at a respectable profit margin and i'd bet that lenses generate a lot more profit than bodies. so, sell the bodies and you have a large group of consumers committed to buying your lenses.

I have to agree with this. A 60D body with a 5D3 sensor and 7D AF for about 2K shouldn't be an issue. Or a 5D2 body with 7D AF and 1DX sensor. Either way, Canon already has all the hardware, they just need to put it together. An 18mp, 21mp, or 22mp FF camera with 7D AF and 5D2 framerate at 2k would sell pretty well I think and slot in well below the 5d3. It would also leave room for a major MP FF camera in the space between the 1Dx and the 5D3.
Edit: let's not forget the now defunct 45pt AF system. They could put that to use in either an "entry level" FF camera or in the next premium crop body.

Aren't Rebels the entry level cameras? Wouldn't a FF Rebel be more practical like a 1250D FF but with the Digic 5. Shutter speeds no more than 1/4000 (typical Rebel) but with Full Frame? I could see that selling for $899 to the beginner market. Bigger sensor with all of the limitations of the current Rebel lineup. It's doable...

The whole thing is - how much would they be cutting into their own sales. Rationally, they'd have to hold back on one or several features - to make it WORSE than the 5D3, for example. There needs to be differentiation between models- or people start migrating to the cheapest model that does what they need it to.
For example, if they gave it 22 MP - just like a 5D2/5D3- they cut into those sales - unless they cut back on a lot of other stuff.. They'd have to cut features out- like handicap it with a 9 point AF, or limit it to 12 MP, or give it 3FPS, etc... Leaving out smaller features- like MFA- really does not count.

So, if you had a 5D3, with 61 point AF, 6 FPS, etc - and you were, say a portrait photog or wedding photog- - the 5D3 is really a replacement camera for your business.. Now, let's throw into the market- a camera that costs under 2K, has 22MP, 5 FPS, and 19 point AF system- would you buy the new camera or the 5D3 ? It's too darn similar- in my opinion.. Sales of the 5D3 would dissipate- most would decide that they didn't need the 5D3 and dump them. Those looking for a 5D3- would now go after a BNIB xD - whatever it is called. New sales of 5D3's would essentially stop. That sounds good for Canon.

CameraMan wrote in post #14844818
Aren't Rebels the entry level cameras? Wouldn't a FF Rebel be more practical like a 1250D FF but with the Digic 5. Shutter speeds no more than 1/4000 (typical Rebel) but with Full Frame? I could see that selling for $899 to the beginner market. Bigger sensor with all of the limitations of the current Rebel lineup. It's doable...

i would think that there might be a psychological barrier to putting it in the rebel line up. i'm not knocking rebels i had a 550d and it was a pretty nice entry dslr. honestly, aside from the a/f and the lack of super high iso capabilities it probably produces a more than sufficient image for my purposes 80 percent of the time.
i think that people stepping into full frame photographer want to feel like they are transitioning away from the rebel line. maybe it should be an xxd of some sort or a complete new line.
besides, they can charge more for a non-rebel body.