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Aug 09, 2012 23:30 |  #1

Not sure where to post this question. Just curious, on some shots I try and get more details in the shadows and highlights by dodging and burning and with using 1) image - adjustments - shadow/highlight; or 2) image - adjustments - HDR Toning. Would these methods be considered HDR? I am not trying for HDR pictures just extra detail in shadows and highlights using one of the above methods on a 1 exposure shot. I don't consider this HDR.

Used the first method...

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Aug 10, 2012 08:21 |  #2

Both shots show tilted buildings. The second shot has a tilted horizon as well. All can be fixed in PP.
To answer your question, no - dodging & burning and shadow/highlight work is not considered HDR.
Your Bean shot is pretty cool. I'd just straighten the buildings on the right.


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Aug 10, 2012 21:54 as a reply to  @ Qbx's post |  #3

Why do you folks continue to use WA glass knowing that they distort images which must be then fixed in PP.
1st one...the exposure is off.
2nd one...poor technique, witness the sky and background.


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Aug 11, 2012 00:08 |  #4

chauncey wrote in post #14842543 (external link)
Why do you folks continue to use WA glass knowing that they distort images which must be then fixed in PP.
1st one...the exposure is off.
2nd one...poor technique, witness the sky and background.

Attention everyone - sell your WA Glass - they create distortion which must be fixed in PP.
From your proceeds you can buy a pano-tripod head and take multiple shots with normal lenses the you can stitch them together in ... um PP ... er - Never mind.

Maybe it's because WA is the only way to get the shot without exposing yourself to standing in multiple lanes of traffic, or in a river etc. WA glass has its place.


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Aug 11, 2012 02:34 |  #5

Qbx wrote in post #14843000 (external link)
Attention everyone - sell your WA Glass - they create distortion which must be fixed in PP.
From your proceeds you can buy a pano-tripod head and take multiple shots with normal lenses the you can stitch them together in ... um PP ... er - Never mind.

Maybe it's because WA is the only way to get the shot without exposing yourself to standing in multiple lanes of traffic, or in a river etc. WA glass has its place.

My thoughts exactly.

Maybe he was referring to using a tilt-shift lens? Not everyone can go out and buy a tilt-shift.


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Aug 11, 2012 02:36 |  #6

chauncey wrote in post #14842543 (external link)
Why do you folks continue to use WA glass knowing that they distort images which must be then fixed in PP.
1st one...the exposure is off.
2nd one...poor technique, witness the sky and background.

Do you want to elaborate on this at all?

Your second point doesn't help the poster one bit. OP, he may be referring to the horizon that could be straightened. The buildings will still be tilted once you straighten it, that is where photoshop comes in. It would be nice to get a wider shot of the city but other than that, I think your technique is okay.

In the first, you have a halo around the bean due to exposure adjustments in pp. the street and building lights are also blown out but you can't do much about street lights. The overall exposure looks good to me


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Aug 11, 2012 08:54 |  #7

Definitely not HDR but you can get some of the same side effects, like the halo in #1, that are seen in HDR processing too often.

1) That is the first bean shot I've seen from the side. Score a point for originality. While you are burning, toning down or cloning out the bright spots would help, i.e. the light on the left edge of the frame and the white square and resulting blue fringe trees to the right of the bean.

2) I think chauncey was referring to the blown out clouds.


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Aug 12, 2012 17:07 as a reply to  @ C Scott IV's post |  #8

Thanks everyone for the clarifications and C&C. Went back and worked on the things that were mentioned. It's funny how I seem to miss obvious things until they are mentioned. Hope this learning processes sticks this time for me. :)




  
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Aug 12, 2012 21:38 |  #9

That's what's great about this section :)


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Aug 13, 2012 09:19 |  #10

"dodging and burning" work, but are not reversible in case you need to tweak the image later for a print or other reason. Layer Masks allow you to hide some details & bring them back later if you need to. Look at A question about sky and click on the Airport runway shoot link in my post to read more about them.


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Aug 13, 2012 09:26 |  #11

To directly address the op's question I see better range in the first method than the second.

the second looks flat in the upper 2/3rds of the shot and too HDRish while the foreground appears to have come out clean.


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Aug 13, 2012 11:49 |  #12

PhotosGuy wrote in post #14851891 (external link)
"dodging and burning" work, but are not reversible in case you need to tweak the image later for a print or other reason. Layer Masks allow you to hide some details & bring them back later if you need to. Look at A question about sky and click on the Airport runway shoot link in my post to read more about them.

I do all my dodging and burning on blank layers using overlay or soft light blend modes that way I can use a layer mask if needed. So I can always go back and change or delete that layer without destroying the background picture. When I use the image - adjustment - shadow/highlight I always duplicate my layer because that method is not reversible. That way if I don't care for it I can delete that layer without affecting the background picture. Maybe I shouldn't use that method at all. But that is a good point to remind people of. I am heading over to your link right now...:)




  
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