Why Canon marketing insist on calling T4i entry level?

Cadenza wrote in post #14869555
Why such surprise about my fondness for the fold and twist screen??? If I want to pick up a bit of video with my stills, I'd much rather have it. Not to mention above crowd, sneaky shots, etc. Plus, it's much lighter to raise above head. As it stands and depending on particulars, T4i can be a more versatile tool than 5D3 on most occasions.

I'm the same. Due to my bad back, the screen is a Godsend. I'm eagerly awaiting the 70D, and want it over a 7D or 7D II...due to that swivel screen!!

Canons have had the fold and twist screens out for quite some time. I want to say - 1998 or 1999, I bought my first digital camera- a Powershot Pro- and it had such a screen. It had such utility.. Had a couple other digital cameras in between ( P&S ) that had the feature. But alas, so far- the very high end- no such feature. But then and again, a 5D3 setup tends to be much heavier than say a t4i with a kit lens- I probably would not want to hold it above my head for too long.. But, yes, I would love it to have the tilt/swivel screen. But I think Canon is holding that out till - well, they have no other features to introduce- kind of like an ace up their sleeve.

greenjeans wrote in post #14868423
T3(1100D) has video.

the "T3i" has video...the "T3" doesn't...

How can it take so many posts when only one was needed.

"Because it is"

Because it can.

neil_r wrote in post #14869633
How can it take so many posts when only one was needed.

"Because it is"

I said that in post #2.

Lear jet - entry level; Gulfstream V - mid level; Dreamliner 787 - top of the line. Everyone has to start somewhere.

Cadenza wrote in post #14868975
I asked because as I read their marketing, I though their marketing team could just as well designed a sales pitch on the T4i by calling it "the next step," "top of the line advanced prosumer," with tag lines like "if you're getting serious about your photos..." etc. and you'd still have a very credible product in the T4i that would fill such a campaign.

This might have scared off people who actually were just buying their first camera and wanted a, shall I say it, entry level model. But I don't think people really care TOO much about the label. Most people probably buy after exhaustive research (if they are on POTN) or because of its features, and not it's name.

Why does it matter. Obviously someone's feelings are hurt that the fact they have an entry level camera. The 5DIII is a consumer DSLR just like Canon says it is.

Yno wrote in post #14870064
Lear jet - entry level; Gulfstream V - mid level; Dreamliner 787 - top of the line. Everyone has to start somewhere.



This might have scared off people who actually were just buying their first camera and wanted a, shall I say it, entry level model. But I don't think people really care TOO much about the label. Most people probably buy after exhaustive research (if they are on POTN) or because of its features, and not it's name.

I doubt that even. I think people want a DSLR and lenses, they go to a store, and the store employee sells them a camera. I doubt a majority do any kind of exhaustive research if they are buying a rebel (due again to marketing and what is sold in stores), and I doubt also that a majority ever get out of green box, P, or the canned modes. They would look at price, megapixel count, movie mode or not, and acccessories, and not much more. I have lost track of how many people I have tried to strike up a conversation with over their Rebel or 7D, and they knew nothing about the camera, they were just "sold" it in their words.

I think they really do look for a "Rebel" because that is what is in magazines and television. People on POTN that use rebels are not the norm, nor really representative of the majority that end up buying that line.

Cadenza wrote in post #14869555
Why such surprise about my fondness for the fold and twist screen??? If I want to pick up a bit of video with my stills, I'd much rather have it. Not to mention above crowd, sneaky shots, etc. Plus, it's much lighter to raise above head. As it stands and depending on particulars, T4i can be a more versatile tool than 5D3 on most occasions.

IMO, the fold out screen is only good with a touch screen AND good autofocus in live view, which I doubt the 5D does. I agree, it can be a versatile tool, but for me, certainly not a deal breaker, or something I would even consider as important.

dzaneh wrote in post #14869630
the "T3i" has video...the "T3" doesn't...

I take video on my T3....quess I better stop

MotorPro wrote in post #14870841
I take video on my T3....quess I better stop

YES- STOP RIGHT NOW!

It seems some people rely on memory or something rather than actually looking things up.

A quick check of dpreview indicates that every EOS DSLR introduced after the 5DII has been video-capable. (Both the 50D and the 1000D were introduced a few months before the 5DII, according to dpreview's camera comparison tables.) This, of course, includes the 1100D (aka Rebel T3).

Speaking of dpreview, their categorization of the EOS cameras is:

Entry-level: Rebel T3 (1100D)
Mid-level: Rebel Txi, (xxxD), 60D
Semi-professional: 7D, 5DII & III
Professional: 1D

Rebels before those above, and 50D and earlier in the xxD line apparently pre-date dpreview's current categories, and so aren't listed in those categories.

Perhaps it would help the OP to think of the 4Ti (Rebel line) as "entry-level" in regard only to Canon DSLR's as opposed to "entry-level" to the art of photography itself.