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Canon 50 F1.2L VS 85 F1.2L MKII Lenses

 
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Sep 08, 2012 07:13 |  #16

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Simple answer get both!!

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Sep 09, 2012 08:06 |  #17

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Hey sol95,
What would you buy first if you only had 24mm and 85mm primes - another prime (50L) or 70-200 IS II?? Just for fun :cool:

between those two lenses, I'd personally buy the 50L. 70-200L II is a FANTASTIC lens. But purely on how much I use it, I'd get the 50L


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Sep 09, 2012 10:10 |  #18

Owning both - the 85L has better IQ (significantly sharper wide open - anyone who says the two are comparable wide open has a problem with their 85L : )

Having said that I prefer the 50L's weight/size, weather sealing capability, faster focus and its focus ring (as opposed to the 85L's fly by wire system). I wouldn't be without either in my kit, though if they bought out a new 50 comparable in IQ to the 85L I'd be on it.


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Sep 09, 2012 11:38 |  #19

Rai33 wrote in post #14967547 (external link)
Owning both - the 85L has better IQ (significantly sharper wide open - anyone who says the two are comparable wide open has a problem with their 85L : )

I personally think they are comparable and here is my 85L II wide open

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Potentially an issue with your 50L? :confused:

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Sep 09, 2012 11:41 |  #20

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I have never ownded a 50L. But I don't even want to own one. There are focussing problems with that lens. And it is not so sharp at F1.2.

I have to say, these types of comments are really getting old. So many people post opinions about lenses or cameras they have never used.

Focusing problems? My 50L focuses fast and accurately. Only in really dim lighting does it hunt, and that is true with nearly every lens.

Not sharp at f/1.2? Well, if used properly, the area that is in focus is very sharp. And if you're buying an f/1.2 lens for tack sharpness across the whole frame, then I think you'll be pretty disappointed in most large aperture lenses. You use a lens at f/1.2 to get beautiful bokeh, to let more light in, to shoot in low lighting, and to get a unique-looking image that you can't get with other lenses.

Were there focusing issues with the 50L early on? Yes, a few lenses seemed to suffer from focus shift. But some of that was actually due to people focusing and recomposing. With such a shallow depth of field, things get out of focus easily. Either way, the 50L is just like any other lens - there are excellent copies and there are copies that need adjustment, or to be returned.

Don't dismiss a lens that you have never used, let alone owned, and then tell others to avoid it.


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Sep 09, 2012 13:29 |  #21

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Don't dismiss a lens that you have never used, let alone owned, and then tell others to avoid it.

bw!

I thought I was the only one getting p****d off with know it alls who dismiss equipment they've never used. If you've never used a piece of equipment, you don't have an opinion on it's merits or shortcomings, end of story. :rolleyes:


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Sep 09, 2012 13:39 |  #22

okcomputer wrote in post #14967801 (external link)
I have to say, these types of comments are really getting old. So many people post opinions about lenses or cameras they have never used.

Focusing problems? My 50L focuses fast and accurately. Only in really dim lighting does it hunt, and that is true with nearly every lens.

Not sharp at f/1.2? Well, if used properly, the area that is in focus is very sharp. And if you're buying an f/1.2 lens for tack sharpness across the whole frame, then I think you'll be pretty disappointed in most large aperture lenses. You use a lens at f/1.2 to get beautiful bokeh, to let more light in, to shoot in low lighting, and to get a unique-looking image that you can't get with other lenses.

Were there focusing issues with the 50L early on? Yes, a few lenses seemed to suffer from focus shift. But some of that was actually due to people focusing and recomposing. With such a shallow depth of field, things get out of focus easily. Either way, the 50L is just like any other lens - there are excellent copies and there are copies that need adjustment, or to be returned.

Don't dismiss a lens that you have never used, let alone owned, and then tell others to avoid it.

Could not agree more, Also I notice many people give an opinion and then ask a similar questions in another thread.

I owned 2 50L's and IMO they where pretty much exactly the same. From what I see the 85L does appear to be sharper wide open. In that example above it looks outstanding but the 50L is certainly useable at 1.2.


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Sep 09, 2012 15:50 |  #23

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Aside from reach,how do the Canon 50 F1.2L and 85 F1.2L MKII lenses compare to each other when it comes to IQ,sharpness,contrast,​and color rendering?Which among the 2 also focuses faster?
Thanks.

I’ve taken thousands of pictures with the 85L and 50L over the last six years.

The out of focus blur of both is legendary. The 85L seems a little smoother probably due to its longer focal length, and the 50L seems to do a slightly better job of separating the subject from the fore/background probably due to its wider focal length. They both have beautiful color/contrast and extremely consistent/accurate auto focus at all apertures. While I’ve not wasted my time checking the 50L against the 85L on test charts or batteries, when I’ve compared the pictures I’ve taken in the real world with both lenses they are both relatively and equally sharp at f1.2. I’ve never had a picture ruined by “focus shift” with either lens, but they both shift slightly when using the center auto focus point at about the same apertures and distances from the subject.

Since I only use the 85L for portraiture I’ve found its slow auto focus speed to be adequate. I know of people that use this lens for basketball and gymnastics with beautiful results.

The 50L‘s ability to auto focus in poor light is extraordinary. It will snap into focus in low lighting situations where all other lenses just hunt and fail, and it’s definitely quick enough to keep up with fast moving subjects.

Rai33 wrote in post #14967547 (external link)
Owning both - the 85L has better IQ (significantly sharper wide open - anyone who says the two are comparable wide open has a problem with their 85L :).



I’d say they are comparable wide open and I don’t believe I have a problem with my 85L.

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And here’s a few with the 50L I posted earlier.
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost​.php?p=14874056&postco​unt=14

And Canon thinks they are comparable, at least in the center where it counts. But then maybe they have a problem with their theoretical 85L. :)

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Sep 09, 2012 17:29 |  #24

smorter wrote in post #14967789 (external link)
I personally think they are comparable and here is my 85L II wide open
Potentially an issue with your 50L? :confused:

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I’d say they are comparable wide open and I don’t believe I have a problem with my 85L.

1dsIII/85L @ f1.2

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And here’s a few with the 50L I posted earlier.
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost​.php?p=14874056&postco​unt=14

And Canon thinks they are comparable, at least in the center where it counts. But then maybe they have a problem with their theoretical 85L. :)

In the centre things are more even between the two but as you move to the edges there is a significant difference and the focus point of my images (whether it be eyes or a subject) are rarely in the centre of frame when using the 50 which makes centre sharpness a moot point for me

This more or less mirrors my experience with the two:

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Sep 09, 2012 17:40 |  #25

at the end of the day it can be agreed on that both lenses are great in their own right. Just pick the focal length you favour :)


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Sep 09, 2012 19:47 |  #26

I have both. You should fundamentally decide between these based on the focal length you need most.

Both are very accurate to focus. I would suggest that color, contrast, bokeh are all a wash.

The 50L is a little faster focussing. The 85L is a little sharper wide open. Both are very good.


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Sep 10, 2012 20:04 |  #27

Rai33 wrote in post #14968943 (external link)
In the centre things are more even between the two but as you move to the edges there is a significant difference and the focus point of my images (whether it be eyes or a subject) are rarely in the centre of frame when using the 50 which makes centre sharpness a moot point for me

This more or less mirrors my experience with the two:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=0​&APIComp=0 (external link)

From my experience and as you can see by both of my 85L and 50L examples, at f1.2 the eye lashes, car badges, etc. are all well within 10mm of the center of the sensor where the two lenses are in the comparable zone, which is well within the auto focus points on all Canon cameras. If I want the far edges and corners sharp, I just stop down.

And even if a lens is relatively sharp all the way to the corners at f1.2, in this three dimensional world, you couldn’t get any but a small part of the scene like the closest eye or the badge in focus anyway unless it is very flat like a brick wall or very far away like a landscape. In either case, wouldn’t it be easier to just shoot them at f5.6 or f8 where the lens is much sharper anyway?

I’ve heard the wide open corner/far edge sharpness argument before. I’m curious. In what type of photography (other than focus chart bragging rights) is this important, and could someone please post an example? Thanks.

By the way…

The side by side comparisons of lenses of different focal lengths like the one you linked to are basically flawed because to get the pictures you see here the same size, one of the pictures has to be resized, cropped, or taken from a different distance, thus rendering the comparison moot. If you don’t believe me try it yourself.


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Sep 10, 2012 22:20 as a reply to  @ billppw350z's post |  #28

Are both the Canon 50 l and 85l lenses weatherproof?




  
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Sep 10, 2012 22:29 |  #29

Buy both! :))))


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Sep 10, 2012 23:30 |  #30

I just received my 50 1.2 today :D and I bought it for its focal length. Will get the 85 version 3 when it comes out with weather sealing :>

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