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Sep 09, 2012 18:36 |  #16

tkbslc wrote in post #14969110 (external link)
But there is a FF sensor and a Zeiss 35mm f2. That's, what, a $4000 combo with any other new FF setup? So there is a pretty big "PnS" discount already.

FF dslr is not the same as a ff mirror less compact system. Zeiss 35mm f2 lens wo a mount but w af is about $1k retail. So I figure this Sony is around $1800 at most to be competitive To fuji x system. To be at $2.8k, it needs interchangeable system similar to Leica.


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Sep 10, 2012 07:25 |  #17

FIXED lens FF?
Why?
Is this a $3k answer to a question nobody asked?
Is there a reason they had to cripple this product with a fixed lens "solution"?


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Sep 10, 2012 07:59 |  #18

This needs to be interchangeable lens for the price.

If they are going fixed lens, then $2k. I'll wait for the price to drop, which will be inevitable. I've been waiting for a compact Leica-like full frame for a long time, since I do mostly street photography. While Canon and Nikon continue to rehash the same old camera, Sony steps up with innovation. Kudos. Just make this interchangeable and come out with an 85mm for portrait work or a 50mm and I can do both street and portrait.


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Sep 10, 2012 08:05 as a reply to  @ dharrisphotog's post |  #19

If that lens isn't retractable, there is no benefit to having it be a fixed lens camera.


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Sep 10, 2012 08:21 |  #20

andrikos wrote in post #14970986 (external link)
FIXED lens FF?
Why?

Loads of people bought the Fuji x100 even though it has a fixed lens. I'm sure loads will want to buy a FF compact with a fixed lens too.


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Sep 10, 2012 08:46 |  #21

I'm thinking that as well. Some what like the Fuji X100-> X Pro-1 route

Shadowblade wrote in post #14968565 (external link)
If they're making a fixed-lens model, then an interchangeable-lens model can't be too far away.

Maybe even one with a Leica M-mount, or capable of taking an M-mount adaptor.

Tri-Elmar 16-18-21 or Voigtlander Heliar 12mm on a 36MP CMOS sensor with live view, that you can carry in a (large) pocket? Yes, please!


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Sep 10, 2012 11:44 as a reply to  @ liupublic's post |  #22

tkbslc wrote in post #14969110 (external link)
But there is a FF sensor and a Zeiss 35mm f2. That's, what, a $4000 combo with any other new FF setup? So there is a pretty big "PnS" discount already.

I think you explained that well to better justify the price.

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Sirrith wrote in post #14971139 (external link)
Loads of people bought the Fuji x100 even though it has a fixed lens. I'm sure loads will want to buy a FF compact with a fixed lens too.

Before I read your post, this is what I was thinking too.

ching wrote in post #14971221 (external link)
I'm thinking that as well. Some what like the Fuji X100-> X Pro-1 route

Seems like it to me too, but in this case, I think it would have been smarter to release the interchangeable lens version first. I don't think Sony would need to test the waters (if that's what they're doing) because a Nex-like full frame would be a great seller.

So what, start off with the fixed lens for $2799 .... what will the interchangeable version be? $3499? I guess price doesn't matter too much as long as it's packed with features and usability photographers really need. We'll see.

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Impressive specs, nice lens, and a small body. The only problem, and one big problem IMO, is the fact that it is has optical, hybrid, or EVF included. They want you to shell out that much money for a compact full frame camera, but yet do not include what most people who are shopping in that price range are going want. They most likely will have the option of purchasing one once it is released, but given the price of the camera I could only imagine how much it will cost.

An OVF would increase both the size and price. You can buy an EVF. (external link)

That being said, I definitely fall in the boat of wanting an OVF, or at least a great EVF.


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Sep 10, 2012 11:48 |  #23

I think they don't know who the market is if the left out an OVF. It would have been very easy with a fixed 35mm prime lens, too.

They should have already had a good starting point from some of their Minolta acquisitions:

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Sep 10, 2012 13:17 |  #24

Sirrith wrote in post #14971139 (external link)
Loads of people bought the Fuji x100 even though it has a fixed lens. I'm sure loads will want to buy a FF compact with a fixed lens too.

Ok, help me understand this (I must be really thick).
Is this thing a replacement to a dSLR or is it sort of a "mirroless compact" like the much maligned (by the very same people who praise this thing) EOS-M?


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Sep 10, 2012 14:41 |  #25

andrikos wrote in post #14972460 (external link)
Ok, help me understand this (I must be really thick).
Is this thing a replacement to a dSLR or is it sort of a "mirroless compact" like the much maligned (by the very same people who praise this thing) EOS-M?

Sony RX1 can not replace DSLR because it does not have interchangeable lens.

Sony RX1 is a fixed prime lens design with a FF sensor. Most likely with great IQ and etc, but the target audience is very small. It gets even smaller because Sony decides to price it to compete with Leica M-series instead of Fuji X100.


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Sep 10, 2012 14:57 |  #26

liupublic wrote in post #14972860 (external link)
It gets even smaller because Sony decides to price it to compete with Leica M-series instead of Fuji X100.

And even smaller still because it says "Sony" on the body...


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Sep 10, 2012 18:22 |  #27

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Still P&S, even if it is full frame...

all camera are P&S, some just have more features on them.

if it's got manual focus/aperture/shutter and RAW then it should be a nice little street photography camera


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Sep 10, 2012 18:31 |  #28

rjx wrote in post #14972050 (external link)
An OVF would increase both the size and price. You can buy an EVF. (external link)

That being said, I definitely fall in the boat of wanting an OVF, or at least a great EVF.

I think that OVF are over-rated to be honest.

If you look at the fjifilm X-E1 that's due to come out, many people say it's only got a EVF and that wouldn't look at it because of it.

However in camera of this type an OVF isn't going to be an SLR so then it's a range finder type. Of course any range finder you dont' get to see what the lens is seeing so you have to guess with the settings and the framing and hoping you get it right. it's a lot of learning to see. Many see the advantages of a range finder is that you can see what's going to happen before it enters the frame.

However if you use the screen on the back you can still get to see what the camera is going to take (IMO better than a OVF in a range finder) and you can still anticipate what's going to happen because you can see the world around you.

A camera like this is good because it looks like you just got a cheap P&S camera but really you got a nice piece of kit.

What I don't like the price.


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Sep 10, 2012 19:43 |  #29

For that price I'd at least want some sort of built-in viewfinder, whether optical or electronic or both. The add-on viewfinder is better than nothing, but it adds another "bump" to a camera that's otherwise pretty sleek. I'd gladly settle for a smaller LCD in order to accommodate an OVF and/or EVF, considering I absolutely hate trying to take pictures using only the LCD. Otherwise I might as well keep using my Canonet, which is also "full frame" but has a faster lens. :p




  
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Sep 11, 2012 00:05 |  #30

Not interested if no VF. Also, the price is really high while Fuji's 35mm FL for equavilent lens for the X's is coming out very soon.


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