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Bang for buck 5d to 5d mark III or 70-200 2.8 nonIS to 70-200 2.8 IS II

 
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Sep 11, 2012 21:12 |  #1

I'm debating my upgrade path. I usually go for better quality glass over body upgrades, but I'm not sure on this one.

Do I upgrade my Canon 70-200 non-is 2.8 to the new IS version II of the lens or would it make more sense to keep my older 70-200 2.8 and upgrade my body from the original 5D classic to the new 5D mark III? I'm drooling over the new auto focus system on the 5d mark III but since I shoot sports with a crop camera I'm not sure if I need it. Maybe at 7D and the 70-200 2.8 IS II would be warranted?

I shoot motocross (sports) with my 50D as it has the 1.6 crop factor (free zoom) and a better 9 cross point autofocus vs 1 cross point on the 5d classic. I shoot weddings and general photography/events with the 5d and I consider the 5d my main camera with the 50d being backup unless I shoot the aforementioned motocross or maybe birds.

I love the shallower depth of field that I can achieve when using the full frame 5d vs the crop. It's like getting more expensive lenses with lower maximum aperture when comparing to the crop body. I will always have a full frame. I will probably always have a crop too though for the extra reach.

I also need something for video as well. I'm currently using the T1i for video, but it is up for sale at the time to fund this upgrade. I do some how to videos and make some short films. I do have a canon 1080P video camera for this as well (not as nice as the DSLR's though).

So whats the better upgrade, the 5D to 5D mark III or the 70-200 2.8 non-IS to the 70-200 2.8 IS version II or some other path?


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Sep 11, 2012 21:17 |  #2

5D to 5D3...I'm going to be fairly surprised if many people suggest going the lens route in this case. Usually better glass before better body, but the 70-200mk1 is by no means bad glass.


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Sep 11, 2012 21:44 |  #3

What other lenses you have? 70-200mm is less for motor sports. I will sell both cameras and get 5dmk3.


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Sep 11, 2012 22:09 |  #4

For sports shooting I'd get the 5D3 & keep your 70-200. BTW I have owned all of Canon's 70-200 f/2.8Ls


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Sep 11, 2012 22:20 |  #5

I vote the 5d3, your 70-200 2.8 is a fantastic lens, and when you're shooting sports you don't really need IS. You can always grab a monopod, but really you'll most likely be using that iso6400 that still looks fantastic on the 5d3 so you can get fast shutter speeds, and with fast shutter speeds you don't need the IS.

The 5d3 will cover you for sports, portraits, shallow DOF, AF Speed, HD video recording, and all those other bells and whistles it has.


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Sep 11, 2012 22:57 as a reply to  @ drzenitram's post |  #6

I have the canon 17-40 L f4, the tamron 28-75 2.8, canon 50 1.4, canon 24 2.8, canon 35-105 (older lens)

I think I still need a crop camera for the 1.6 crop's excellent reach without spending a lot more $$ for expensive zooms. I get 480mm f 4.0 equivalent with the 50d the 70-200 2.8 and a 1.4x teleconverter.

The body would be about $2300 extra and the lens would only be about $1000 extra. I can probably sell the 50d and the t1i to get a 7d if needed.


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Sep 11, 2012 23:18 |  #7

Given the choices, I would also recommend 5D3 as the primary upgrade for the moment. If you are really doing motorsports, you may already have a good tripod and that should be all you need coupled with the 70-200 f/2.8 non IS.


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Sep 11, 2012 23:22 |  #8

Someone in another forum mentioned that I could wait for what's coming out this month. I read up and it looks like there is some talk of a canon 6d. Supposedly a full frame like the 5d mark III (23mp) with the 7d like focusing system and shooting at less than 4 frames per second.

That would be perfect for me along with a 7d for sports.

Anyone else hear about the 6d?


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Sep 12, 2012 03:18 |  #9

I was shooting the other day with a 5D3 and 70-200 2.8 IS L MkII and the photos IQ are truely awesome. Unfortunately, I was at a zoo and just couldn't get any shots that looked like natural habitat but the IQ was worth putting up with the background. I even used a Canon 2x MkIII extender and the IQ was still fantastic. It may cost a lot, but the combo is definitely worth it.


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Sep 12, 2012 03:19 |  #10
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I would go with the 5D3 as well.....still saving up for one :(


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Sep 12, 2012 06:04 |  #11

Overall I think the 5D3 will give you better tools.
The AF is simply amazing, high iso capability, great video shooting, 6fps.

I agree that the reach sometimes can be troublesome, but if you keep getting reach issues, it should be the time to get a 5D3 and a 300mm instead of the 70-200 II, and use your 50D+70-200 for closer shots. That will make a razor sharp pair.

The only reason I got a 1D4 is because of the little bit of reach I needed and fast fps I really needed (and because I got a good deal on 1 year old 10K clicks body). If I didn't need the high fps, I would have only used the 5D3.


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Sep 12, 2012 10:19 |  #12

I suppose if I get a 300mm then I could go full time full frame and sell the 50D and have 2 full frame cameras.


5D mark iii, 5D mark I, 50D, canon 17-40 L, Canon 85 1.8, Canon 24 2.8, Tamron 28-75 2.8, Canon 35-105 (older), Canon 50 1.4, Canon, Canon 70-200 L 2.8 non-is, Canon 1.4x extender II, 580ex II flash

  
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Sep 12, 2012 11:10 |  #13

Curt248 wrote in post #14979741 (external link)
Someone in another forum mentioned that I could wait for what's coming out this month. I read up and it looks like there is some talk of a canon 6d. Supposedly a full frame like the 5d mark III (23mp) with the 7d like focusing system and shooting at less than 4 frames per second.

That would be perfect for me along with a 7d for sports.

Anyone else hear about the 6d?

See the Rumors sub-fora, specifically this thread:

https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1216457

It's been all over the place in terms of features/specs, so take it all with a massive grain of salt.

I also think that you would benefit most from the upgrade to the 5DIII (or the "6D" if as-advertised). But I'm not you - only you can weigh the factors most important to you.

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Sep 12, 2012 11:58 |  #14

I'm joining the majority with suggesting the 5D III. It will be the only body you will need and bet if you get one your other bodies will sit on the shelf. I shoot portraits, landscapes and fast action sports at night and it destroyed my 7D. I intended on keeping the 7D when I purchased the 5D III but it was so far surperior the 7D is now gone. My point is the 5D/50D jump to the 5D III will have a much larger quality jump in your pics than going the 70-200 non IS to IS route with these same bodies.


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Sep 12, 2012 12:07 |  #15

Unless you're needing IS, the 70-200 2.8 (non IS) is a great lens. Had mine for 12ish years and still going strong. There are times I'd like to have IS but for how I use it the 70-300 IS L would be more useful because I'm wanting to shoot at smaller apertures as well. 2.8 won't help with that obviously, and the extra reach would come in handy at times.


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