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Bang for buck 5d to 5d mark III or 70-200 2.8 nonIS to 70-200 2.8 IS II

 
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Sep 12, 2012 12:18 as a reply to  @ post 14981589 |  #16

I can only say that I love the 5D3 camera...;)


just a few of my thoughts...
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Sep 12, 2012 12:26 |  #17

pbelarge wrote in post #14981625 (external link)
I can only say that I love the 5D3 camera...;)

+1^^ My thoughts exactly.


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Sep 12, 2012 12:36 |  #18

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I think I still need a crop camera for the 1.6 crop's excellent reach without spending a lot more $$ for expensive zooms.


On crop bodies you don't get extra reach, the image is just being cropped. You can convert a FF into a crop in post production. Just add a 1.6 image crop which will yield you 14mp images with the 5DM3(which will be more than enough).

When you crop an image it basically zooms in, but it's a digital zoom not an optical zoom.


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Sep 12, 2012 12:38 |  #19

maverick75 wrote in post #14981705 (external link)
On crop bodies you don't get extra reach, the image is just being cropped. You can convert a FF into a crop in post production. Just add a 1.6 image crop which will yield you 14mp images with the 5DM3(which will be more than enough).

When you crop an image it basically zooms in, but it's a digital zoom not an optical zoom.

wouldnt optical be better though? keeps the pixel density too




  
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Sep 12, 2012 12:49 |  #20

maverick75 wrote in post #14981705 (external link)
On crop bodies you don't get extra reach, the image is just being cropped. You can convert a FF into a crop in post production. Just add a 1.6 image crop which will yield you 14mp images with the 5DM3(which will be more than enough).

I believe you're overestimating the pixel density on the 5D3 by a tad there.


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Sep 12, 2012 12:59 as a reply to  @ post 14981589 |  #21

Could you elaborate in how the 5D III is better than the 7D for action sports?

Is the focusing even better on the mark III? Wouldn't the 8fps of the 7D be better for sports.

If the focusing is much better than the 7D then I might go that route. For me the proper focus is everything. You might as well not have taken the photos is the focus is soft or missed.

I notice that the pro sports cameras seem to have great focus abilities and allow for many more keepers.

I just wasn't aware that the 5d III is much better than the quite good 7D.


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Sep 12, 2012 13:28 |  #22

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I believe you're overestimating the pixel density on the 5D3 by a tad there.


I was second guessing my math as well, I just divided 22.3 by 1.6. to get 13.9.


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Sep 12, 2012 13:42 |  #23

22mp divide by (1.6 x1.6) i think, which is about 8.6mp, still loads for most things


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Sep 12, 2012 19:27 |  #24

Curt248 wrote in post #14981799 (external link)
Could you elaborate in how the 5D III is better than the 7D for action sports?

Is the focusing even better on the mark III? Wouldn't the 8fps of the 7D be better for sports.

If the focusing is much better than the 7D then I might go that route. For me the proper focus is everything. You might as well not have taken the photos is the focus is soft or missed.

I notice that the pro sports cameras seem to have great focus abilities and allow for many more keepers.

I just wasn't aware that the 5d III is much better than the quite good 7D.

Prior to answering your questions I want to say I shot a 7D for about 2 years prior to moving to the 5D III last April. I used/use both long lenses in my sig below with both 7D and 5D III which makes it easy for me to compare bodies. It doesn't matter what you shoot; action, portrait, landscape, etc. the 5D III will beat the 7D hands down when it comes to sharpness and clarity. My best shots with the 7D barely compare to my middle of the road shots with the 5D III.

Is the focusing even better on the mark III?

In servo mode and picking up your initial target they are about the same. Staying focused on the target while moving at high speed the 5D III focus system corrects/re-focuses much faster. I get many more keepers when shooting "high speed continous" with the 5D III because of the re-focusing speed.

Wouldn't the 8fps of the 7D be better for sports.

Yes, this is the only plus the 7D has over the 5D III outside of the 1.6 crop factor (same lens/longer reach). I wish the 5D III had the same fps speed but it doesn't. Not a deal breaker but to get this speed plus the 5D III photo quality = 1DX = a ton of $$$ and for me it's not worth it as I'm not a professional.

If the focusing is much better than the 7D then I might go that route. For me the proper focus is everything. You might as well not have taken the photos is the focus is soft or missed.

You seek the same thing that I now have with my 5D III. I agree with you on the focus 100% and that why I switched. The focusing is much better and clarity of the pic's are stunning. I found the 7D to be soft and grainy on many occasions.

Where the 5D III will lay the 7D flat is at dusk and nightime. Even in professional sports stadiums the lighting isn't that good for camera work. When I look at what I have shot over the past two years the biggest issue has always been shutter speed & ISO. Majority of my shots using the 7D & 70-200 at night were taken at f2.8 with a shutter speed around 800 with the ISO ~3000. Many times I ended up with a pic that was slightly out of focus (due to high speed motion), noisy and very difficult to correct in Lightroom or Photoshop. Now with the 5D III I still take shots at f2.8, the shutter speed has increased to 1250 and ISO averages 4000-5000. These pic's are sharp and easy to correct. The noise is minimal compared to the 7D. The 7D is not capable of shooting at the 5D III ISO levels which means the 7D shutter speed has to be reduced which in turn equals fuzzy pic's. I found that if I shot the 7D with an ISO of 2000+ most of my pic's turned out to be poor at best. With the 5D III I'm seeing the quality falloff starting ~ 8000 ISO.

I purchased the 5D III because I was seeking the cleanest, clearest, sharpest pic I could get and not spend 7k for a camera body to get it. If there was a 7D and a 5D III on the same table and could only pick one to shoot it would be the 5D III every single time no matter what I was shooting. The 5D III is that superior in my book.


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Sep 12, 2012 20:00 |  #25

maverick75 wrote in post #14981907 (external link)
I was second guessing my math as well, I just divided 22.3 by 1.6. to get 13.9.

You have to divide by 1.6 twice.


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Sep 12, 2012 22:24 as a reply to  @ Colorblinded's post |  #26

Wow. Thanks Snowblower for the great explanation.

I guess maybe I'll sell the 50D and T1i and keep the 5D classic as a backup. The 5D really takes better pictures at higher iso.

I will probably still wait to see if Canon comes out with the 6D or 7D mark II with the full frame sensor this month or in October. I've got some saving to do anyways.

At least I know now, that if the new cheaper full frame body doesn't have the focus potential of the 5D mark III then I'll just be saving a bit more for the mark III.

Maybe there will be a rebate on it by then.


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Sep 13, 2012 06:25 |  #27

Curt248 wrote in post #14983937 (external link)
Wow. Thanks Snowblower for the great explanation.

I guess maybe I'll sell the 50D and T1i and keep the 5D classic as a backup. The 5D really takes better pictures at higher iso.

I will probably still wait to see if Canon comes out with the 6D or 7D mark II with the full frame sensor this month or in October. I've got some saving to do anyways.

At least I know now, that if the new cheaper full frame body doesn't have the focus potential of the 5D mark III then I'll just be saving a bit more for the mark III.

Maybe there will be a rebate on it by then.

Nikon just announced the d600, so I would definitely be expecting the 6d or equivalent soon ;-)a


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Sep 13, 2012 07:34 |  #28

I would go with the 5D Mark III. Bodies depreciate much faster than lenses. Even if the 6D or 7D Mark II rumor is true, it would be sometime before it actually hit the market after the press announcement.




  
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Nov 26, 2013 19:46 |  #29

I went with the 5D mark iii. Wow, what a camera. Now, I'm trying to debate between the Canon 24-70 2.8 ii, a Canon 85mm 1.2, or a four light alien bees studio light setup.


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Nov 26, 2013 22:16 |  #30

I manage to stumble along with a 5DC and a 70-200 f4 IS. But that's me, ymmv.




  
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