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Jul 04, 2012 06:03 |  #1

Hi guys

I have a Canon 5DMkII. What kind of metering do you recommend for popconcerts and Bar gigs?

what mode? I used AV but I thought maybe it is better to sue Manual mode?

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Jul 04, 2012 06:22 |  #2

Manual works best. Your meter will get fooled more times than not in Av.


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Jul 04, 2012 06:43 |  #3

Gatorboy wrote in post #14668815 (external link)
Manual works best. Your meter will get fooled more times than not in Av.

How would you go about it. Are you aiming for a fixed or minimum shutterspeed and checking the result on the screen/histogram?


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Jul 04, 2012 08:38 |  #4

after a decent amount of experience, you get good at estimating exposures. obviously it's trickier when the light cycles, but even in extreme cases (like last night's Sleigh Bells show, which had blackness and then blasts of hot, back-lit strobes), manual is the way to go. the problem is that if you are on Av and take a photo when it's really dark, you'll get a long exposure (~2 sec) and then miss opportunities for other shots. again, this is in a situation with highly dynamic lighting conditions.

for metering, i prefer to use partial. i know a lot of people like spot metering, but i really only use it when i am doing a tighter head shot and can get a reliable face reading. if you are using a short focal length, odds are that spot metering won't be all that helpful if that spot is covering a variety of tones.

hope that helped.


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Jul 04, 2012 08:49 |  #5

I appreciate the input! Thanks!


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Jul 04, 2012 08:51 |  #6

checking the histogram (in sRGB, not brightness) is also a good indicator of whether or not you are clipping channels.


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Jul 04, 2012 09:21 |  #7
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Its best to try all types of metering. I know it can be hard when you only have two to three songs that you can shoot, but its all in the learning as they say




  
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Jul 04, 2012 09:39 |  #8

narlus wrote in post #14669168 (external link)
checking the histogram (in sRGB, not brightness) is also a good indicator of whether or not you are clipping channels.

yeah that's something I have to learn.
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Its best to try all types of metering. I know it can be hard when you only have two to three songs that you can shoot, but its all in the learning as they say

I have a great venue nearby that has no restrictions. Not using flash so.....Besides I'm a guitarist I can take poctures of my own band ;-)a
I gues when you use Maual mode the metering doesn't make a difference?


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Jul 04, 2012 10:03 |  #9

don't confuse shooting mode with metering...they do two separate things.

the meter attempts to set the exposure (or if you are shooting manual, the exposure needle) to where it thinks it should be, based on the scene and the metering mode.

the shooting mode (auto, aperture, shutter, manual) has the camera setting one, two, or none of the shutter/aperture settings for exposure.


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Jul 04, 2012 11:32 |  #10
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Steven_nl wrote in post #14669320 (external link)
yeah that's something I have to learn.
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I have a great venue nearby that has no restrictions. Not using flash so.....Besides I'm a guitarist I can take poctures of my own band ;-)a
I gues when you use Maual mode the metering doesn't make a difference?


I have learnt in the pass six months that metering does give you either a good or bad reading. To be honest I hate spot metering. I have used the others, but that is depending on the situation on hand. Like you will experience, it will all be different apart from outdoors with good natural lighting, though sometimes the skin does get overexposed

Well, you can't take photos while playing in a band on stage, lmao :cool:




  
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Jul 04, 2012 12:28 |  #11

Well, if you want your subject faces to be properly exposed, learn to spot meter and know what compensation for different skin tones. Caucasian is about +1. Shoot RAW and don't underexpose, there is plenty of headroom to bring the exposure back down.


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Jul 04, 2012 15:20 |  #12

narlus wrote in post #14669439 (external link)
don't confuse shooting mode with metering...they do two separate things.

the meter attempts to set the exposure (or if you are shooting manual, the exposure needle) to where it thinks it should be, based on the scene and the metering mode.

the shooting mode (auto, aperture, shutter, manual) has the camera setting one, two, or none of the shutter/aperture settings for exposure.

Yes I understand those are 2 different things. But if you shoot in manual mode and only judge the result by the histogram or or the display, it doesn't matter what kind of metering you use. You judge the exposure by the result not by the " needle"

Thanks for helping :-)


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Sep 14, 2012 12:15 |  #13

My baseline before I ever leave the house shooting concerts is the following (on a 5D MKII):

1. Manual mode
2. ISO 1600
3. Spot Metering
4. AI Servo
5. Continuous shooting (burst mode)
6. 1/200 shutter speed
7. Widest aperture available on my lens (usually f/2.8 for either the 24-70 or 70-200).


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Sep 15, 2012 01:45 |  #14

thanks Snyder


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