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Sep 17, 2012 16:59 |  #556

lonescout wrote in post #15005147 (external link)
Canon have only increased the number of levels available. It appears that that move just increases the number of people that will be unhappy with whatever products there are. Too expensive/can't afford or not enough spec for what I can afford.

The problem is that it's not quite a linear level that they are adding. I'm not even exactly sure where it fits. The AF and sync speed are both below that of a T4i for APS-C users despite being more expensive than any of these camera. I really think the only people buying this camera are people who just want "full frame" but don't realize what they are sacrificing (and a handful of people who know the compromises and feel they aren't valuable to them). IMO prioritizing the WiFi and GPS over AF and Sync speak loads about how Canon is targeting customers using gimmicks.


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Sep 17, 2012 17:00 |  #557

mwsilver wrote in post #15005251 (external link)
The spec for the 60D is 1/250. Not sure why they would go to 1/180 for this new camera, ...

As was mentioned much earlier in this thread it has to do with how fast the shutters are physically able to move across the larger sensor area.


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Sep 17, 2012 17:00 |  #558

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My god, more and more I see someone everyday wanting the best of the best for the least of the least. Of course I love to save money but I'm realistic about it. Come on, if the latest Canon bodies coming out are so disappointing, make the move already. No point in posting "I'm going to make the switch" all over the place.

If the 6D is the deal breaker, chances are you don't have enough invested in Canon, so the switch should be quite easy. I'm not saying this is true for all photographers, just saying that I would understand the complaints if it were in a different market. Do people not understand the point of "entry level"? I'm no fanboy or anything, I don't get paid by Canon for anything, I could careless. I do see the 6D as a thumbs up though, makes full frame more available to the majority. Sure we can compare numbers on paper all day long and say which one is better but until we have these bodies in our hands and images to look at some of you have got to take chill pill and relax a bit.

THE GRASS IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE NO MATTER WHICH SIDE YOU'RE LOOKING FROM. IF SOME OF YOU DO NOT REALIZE THIS YET, I HOPE YOU DO, CAUSE THERE'S MORE TO LIFE THAN THE ONE EXTRA MEGAPIXEL, THAT ONE EXTRA STOP IN DYNAMIC RANGE, THAT ONE EXTRA FRAME IN BURST. IF YOU'RE PUSHING YOUR CAMERA TO IT'S LIMITS AND YOU TRULY FEEL IT'S HOLDING YOU BACK, PERHAPS YOU DON'T BELONG IN THIS MARKET.

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Sep 17, 2012 17:03 |  #559

FEChariot wrote in post #15005216 (external link)
The specs for the 5D3 on TDP listed 1/250". I assume on the Rebel but now thinking about it more it is probably only 1/200" on the Rebel

I didn't look at TDP, but the specs on the Canon website say 1/200th for the 5D3 and that is the max I can actually use on my 5D3 without enabling HSS on my 580.


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Sep 17, 2012 17:05 |  #560

TSchrief wrote in post #15005244 (external link)
Canon's 5D3 spec page lists the 5D3 sync speed as 1/200. My 60D is max sync'ed at 1/250. 5D3 has a larger shutter to move, as does the 6D.

Well then I would trust Canon over TDP.

Edit, Sorry I was looking at 1Dx specs that happen to be listed on the 5D3 review.


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Sep 17, 2012 17:07 |  #561

SoCalTiger wrote in post #15005270 (external link)
IMO prioritizing the WiFi and GPS over AF and Sync speak loads about how Canon is targeting customers using gimmicks.

Until actual production samples begin hitting the street, any comments about the AF system are simply unfounded assumptions.

I'd like to see more points, more cross-type points and a wider distribution across the viewfinder but I have to admit that a single truly accurate AF point in the middle that can be 100% relied upon to quickly nail focus, especially down to -3ev, would be far more useful than 60+ points that are accurate most of the time. Know what I mean?


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Sep 17, 2012 17:08 |  #562

mwsilver wrote in post #15005251 (external link)
The spec for the 60D is 1/250. Not sure why they would go to 1/180 for this new camera, but until we see it in operation all comments, with regard to actual performance and IQ, are purely speculative.

an aps-c sensor and shutter are smaller than a FF sensor and shutter ;)


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Sep 17, 2012 17:11 |  #563

tagnal wrote in post #15005293 (external link)
I didn't look at TDP, but the specs on the Canon website say 1/200th for the 5D3 and that is the max I can actually use on my 5D3 without enabling HSS on my 580.

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. Makes sense though.

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Until actual production samples begin hitting the street, any comments about the AF system are simply unfounded assumptions.

I'd like to see more points, more cross-type points and a wider distribution across the viewfinder but I have to admit that a single truly accurate AF point in the middle that can be 100% relied upon to quickly nail focus, especially down to -3ev, would be far more useful than 60+ points that are accurate most of the time. Know what I mean?

This is a good point, -3 EV is a nice upgrade from most bodies.


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Sep 17, 2012 17:14 |  #564

krb wrote in post #15005307 (external link)
Until actual production samples begin hitting the street, any comments about the AF system are simply unfounded assumptions.

what's unfounded about them? canon has been using non cross points for many years, why would assumptions be unfounded?


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Sep 17, 2012 17:15 |  #565

SoCalTiger wrote in post #15005327 (external link)
This is a good point, -3 EV is a nice upgrade from most bodies.

Was just doing some searching and it looks like Nikon's D600 is good to -1 EV so this is one advantage on the Canon side for people who can use that one specific feature.

I'm thinking back to situations in the past where I was able to get focus with bodies that are only rated to -0.5 EV and I have to say that -3 is pretty dark.


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Sep 17, 2012 17:16 |  #566

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All Canon had to do was release a 5DIIn model, with newer processor, same great sensor, and updated AF system. Win. Instead they botched the 6D model badly.

They did: it's called a 5D Mark III.


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Sep 17, 2012 17:19 |  #567

TSchrief wrote in post #15005244 (external link)
Canon's 5D3 spec page lists the 5D3 sync speed as 1/200. My 60D is max sync'ed at 1/250. 5D3 has a larger shutter to move, as does the 6D.

and lets not forget bigger mirror

krb wrote in post #15005307 (external link)
Until actual production samples begin hitting the street, any comments about the AF system are simply unfounded assumptions.

I'd like to see more points, more cross-type points and a wider distribution across the viewfinder but I have to admit that a single truly accurate AF point in the middle that can be 100% relied upon to quickly nail focus, especially down to -3ev, would be far more useful than 60+ points that are accurate most of the time. Know what I mean?

that little square you see on the viewfinder isn't the true area of AF. if you see any AF sensor over the AF points you see that the real AF sensor area is larger than that little square.

but we don't have any real world tests on the AF, no comparisons between the D600 or the mk2. it's all up in the air, we just have see where it lands.


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Sep 17, 2012 17:20 |  #568

in light of this new offering from Canon, is it easier to speculate if 60D and 7D will have new versions that'll come out?


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Sep 17, 2012 17:20 |  #569

I'm sure the 6D will do fine, but as someone who is ready to step away from his T2i/550d I simply cannot bring myself to spend $2000 on a 6D. My time with the T2i has educated me enough to recognize the features that I don't have access to. So when I read the spec list for the 6D, the missing features are what stood out the most.

Maybe the 6D will make a good first time dSLR for new photographers. I just don't see the sense in jumping from one entry level camera to another.


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Sep 17, 2012 17:20 |  #570

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in light of this new offering from Canon, is it easier to speculate if 60D and 7D will have new versions that'll come out?

This time next year :D


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