Canon eos 6d offically announced

chantu wrote in post #15006763
Agreed. A smaller sensor will always cost less than an bigger sensor assuming comparable pixel densities. No issue there. But take this example, I would guess the raw cost of the APS sensor would be something like $50, and say the FF sensor is $100. 2X the cost for the sensor, but only $50 additional for the camera. I would guess the other electronics of the Rebel and 6D would actually be the same given the feature set. The Rebel costs $800 and the 6D cost $2000. What's with the extra $1200 cost adder?

-Larger mirror
-Larger shutter
-Larger pentaprism
-AF sensors optimized for the sub mirror assembly in a FF body

Of course, Canon could raid the parts bin a bit for the shutter, mirror, pentaprism etc, and those things probubly arent THAT expensive...

You're likely paying for the R&D, Or you're paying for Canon's tooling...

It could also be that Canon expects to sell say... 250,000 Rebels along the life of the product, which in this case is expected to be 12 months, and the sensor, AF module, and other things are carrying over to the next model anyways most likely and parts are shared with the 70D and possibly a 7D Mark II, Canon may expect to only sell 100,000 6Ds and most of the things in the 6D are not shared with other cameras, when the 6D gets replace (I'm guessing a 2-3 year life cycle on this body) its unlikely much of it can be reused in a subsequent model...

I nearly fell off my bed just now with Canon's marketing email. Was this really not known about until the rumors thread a few days ago? (Let me add that I bought a MK III a couple weeks ago.. bank account is having chest pains)

Once I learn da rebel good ..i will definitely follow the price tag on Canon 6D...Lowest price so far on 5D III is $2799..
def price will drop
First indicator from this thread : No more EF-S lens purchase....thanks...

Mornnb wrote in post #15006796
Rebel and 60D users who want to go to full frame and can't justify the price of a 5D Mark III, there are boat loads of them.

Out of their price range. They would not only have to shell out $2000, but also most likely their existing lenses will need to be replaced. Ain't happening in boat loads. Their upgrades would be to the 60d or 7d.

whmeltonjr wrote in post #15006757
I'm sure they will, but I didn't say anything about how they would sell. He said the DR was going to be better than the D600, I was just stating it wasn't happening, because it isn't.

I also have my doubts if finally Canon will catch the DR/Lifting shadows/noise of the Sony sensors. But I really HOPE and wish... The problem I see here is that a lot of folks won't accept that Canon sensors are behind the competition, if you touch the term banding/noise everybody will jump and say expose correctly, when at first that banding should never had to be there... And worst is that Canon even offer less at a higher price, and a lot of fanboys act like if they receive a dime...

Hogloff wrote in post #15006795
Expect the equivalent to what is being offered by competitors such as Nikon or Sony.

I think it does, most are criticising the AF system. But AF is more than number of points, it's also position and sensitivity.
The 97% viewfinder though I am very disappointed with.
The image quality of the sensor is the most important thing, and we don't yet know how it performs. It might be better than the 5D Mark III in dynamic range, who knows. It is marketed as a landscape camera.

Hogloff wrote in post #15006818
Out of their price range. They would not only have to shell out $2000, but also most likely their existing lenses will need to be replaced. Ain't happening in boat loads. Their upgrades would be to the 60d or 7d.

You'd be surprised, many intend on eventually going full frame and replacing lenses and are just waiting until they get the money, this camera reduces cost of entry into full frame, so it serves as an upgrade incentive to crop camera users.

Mornnb wrote in post #15006821
I think it does, most are criticising the AF system. But AF is more than number of points, it's also position and sensitivity.
The 97% viewfinder though I am very disappointed with.
The image quality of the sensor is the most important thing, and we don't yet know how it performs. It might be better than the 5D Mark III in dynamic range, who knows. It is marketed as a landscape camera.

You'd be surprised, many intend on eventually going full frame and replacing lenses, this camera reduces cost of entry into full frame.

I am not holding my breath on the AF or improvements in image quality.

Hogloff wrote in post #15006775
And how are you coming up with this statement? Seems to me the D600 has the new Sony sensor which beats anything Canon has to date. Do you really think the 6D will have a better sensor than the 1dx?

Do I think it'll have better IQ than a d600.. Yes. I know it has more latitude(DR) in video post than both the 5d3 and d800. Which probably equates more to jpeg than raw though. The high ISO's is no comparison (vs d800).

whmeltonjr wrote in post #15006757
I'm sure they will, but I didn't say anything about how they would sell. He said the DR was going to be better than the D600, I was just stating it wasn't happening, because it isn't.

I was trying to avoid saying nobody knows until this unit is out.

I just want to see how reliable the outer points are and what magic the center point can do in challenging lighting situations... For my scaping needs this is a reasonable camera except 5 AE bracketing would have been nice

Mornnb wrote in post #15006796
Rebel and 60D users who want to go to full frame and can't justify the price of a 5D Mark III, there are boat loads of them.

Do you think? A camera that is over double the cost of new and any EF-S lenses now need to be sold. Even if they have a 60D the used value is a 1/3 of the cost. Using this logic why have they not already grabbed a used 5D MKII? The price, on the used market, has been less than 2100 for quite some time. If they are going to suddenly buy NEW by the boatloads Canon must now something that no one else does.

I went from:

XTi
40D
40D 40D
7D 60D
7D 7D 5Dc

My plan was to get a 6D which I guess I could still do but the main reason the 60D was replaced with another 7D was not IQ. It was controls(the same style/setup the 6D has). SD Card. And the biggest was AF system. I just don't see people suddenly dropping 2K when they could have been dropping 1500 TODAY and getting a used 5D MKII... that is where I am going to end up it seems.

Mornnb wrote in post #15006821
I think it does, most are criticising the AF system. But AF is more than number of points, it's also position and sensitivity.
The 97% viewfinder though I am very disappointed with.
The image quality of the sensor is the most important thing, and we don't yet know how it performs. It might be better than the 5D Mark III in dynamic range, who knows. It is marketed as a landscape camera.

You'd be surprised, many intend on eventually going full frame and replacing lenses and are just waiting until they get the money, this camera reduces cost of entry into full frame, so it serves as an upgrade incentive to crop camera users.

And you have this information from where? Did you know mirror less cameras are starting to outsell DSLR's. Maybe this big heard of rebel shooters will move over to the more compact mirror less systems.

kenshap wrote in post #15006846
I was trying to avoid saying nobody knows until this unit is out.

But thats the truth

About all I can say is I've seen more shots from the D600 right now than I have from the 6D, Both cameras, from what I've seen, look to have very good image quality, I've even seen someone push a JPEG up a bit from the 6D and there is no banding issues...

KenjiS wrote in post #15006862
bUt thats the truth

Hey lets speculate some!

The D600 obviously adds unicorns to every image it shoots, it also psychically predicts what the shooter wants and automatically composes lights and forces the subject into the perfect position for the perfect shot everytime

The 6D on the other hand shoots sewage out of the lens mount, Better make sure you have weather sealed lenses because otherwise the sewage is going to get in there and make a mess...Also it shoots a laser into your eyeball everytime you try to compose, The laser is good for about 50 shots before your retinas are completely destroyed

Those are equally valid observations, About all I can say is I've seen more shots from the D600 right now than I have from the 6D, Both cameras, from what I've seen, look to have very good image quality, I've even seen someone push a JPEG up a bit from the 6D and there is no banding issues...

Let's try not to get stupid here.