Firmware the only difference between the 1D X & 1D C?!?

http://www.canonwatch.​com …he-eos-1d-c-and-eos-1d-x/

Article says a hardware jack plus different firmware are the only differences between a $6700 1D X and a $13000 1D C. I find this incredibly hard to believe. If true, I don't know what to think of my preferred camera company....

Now let's wait for someone to crack the firmware and turn a 1D X into a 1D C...(not sure how many people have the money for both camera, the interest and skills for cracking the firmware, and the time)

If that's right then the 1Dx will become a major seller in the moving picture industry if someone can crack the firmware. Not seen much on the 1Dc but I did read a review saying it was excellent, so if the 1Dx can be hacked then you guys with it will have a damn good bonus.

We all know it's a matter of time.

Stone 13 wrote in post #15022339
Article says a hardware jack plus different firmware are the only differences between a $6700 1D X and a $13000 1D C. I find this incredibly hard to believe.

Why? Unless you have a rather naive view of how products are priced - companies do not add up the cost of parts, production and licences, slap on a markup towards R&D and another for profit, and sell it at that price.

Companies price a product with a range of complicated factors including what market it's going in to, what the competing products are around that do similar things, and where the company wants to position themselves and their product, support and marketing considerations and a bunch of other stuff.

Not only that, but even though the hardware may be the same to minimise production costs, the cost of developing the firmware for the 1DC and the pro video market may well have been a lot more expensive to produce depending on a number of factors.

Oh goodie, something else for the crowd to be indignant over, the 6D "No-Flash" rage seems to have petered out.

Reading the thread title I say to myself "1D classic is still that good? All it needs is firmware?" Then I understood after reading some post

talbot_sunbeam wrote in post #15022557
Why? Unless you have a rather naive view of how products are priced - companies do not add up the cost of parts, production and licences, slap on a markup towards R&D and another for profit, and sell it at that price.

Companies price a product with a range of complicated factors including what market it's going in to, what the competing products are around that do similar things, and where the company wants to position themselves and their product, support and marketing considerations and a bunch of other stuff.

Not only that, but even though the hardware may be the same to minimise production costs, the cost of developing the firmware for the 1DC and the pro video market may well have been a lot more expensive to produce depending on a number of factors.

Not naive at all. I'm well versed in the principles of capitalism and the free market. I also understand that's it's not what something's worth, but what people are willing to pay for it.

However, I'm doubtful that potential customers of the 1DC would be happy to know that they're paying a 100% premium for what appears to be a software update. I could be wrong, but if I were in the market, this information would have me looking elsewhere.

Edit: and please spare me the "Apple does the exact same thing" argument. Other than the iPad 3, I don't pay the Apple tax for similar reasons....

All to protect their c100,c300 and c500 line.

https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=14921426&po​stcount=18

If the hardware jack and firmware are the only differences between the cameras I can still see a good justification for the increased price of the 1DC: pricing the gear to gain credibility in the crazy priced market segment (someone here yesterday mentioned $15k is entry level for example)

If you were a pro stills photographer currently shooting with a 1DX or D4 and e.g. Samsung entered the market with their "pro" level body and lenses featuring similar specs to your current pro build system but for 40% of the price would it have any credibility to you? As the nominated IT guy at work I am the one people ask (if they know what's good for them) when they are looking for a new notebook. I know I don't give Samsung notebooks any credibility yet: they are pretty new to the Australian market and they are priced at or below the Acer products in Australia (which have a less than stellar reliability reputation). In a couple of year's time if they are still in the market and competing on a similar price level with the Dell's, Sony's, Lenovo's, etc their credibility will improve in my view. This is a similar approach well entrenched cinematic guys will have towards the Canon cinematic gear I expect.

So a company charges money for software, and you find that outrageous?

You make take a look around, but software cost money to write, debug, test, maintain, etc..

Stone 13 wrote in post #15023306
However, I'm doubtful that potential customers of the 1DC would be happy to know that they're paying a 100% premium for what appears to be a software update.

I kind of agree, which is why I'm surprised the Canon guy said this.

Stone 13 wrote in post #15023306
I could be wrong, but if I were in the market, this information would have me looking elsewhere.

Possibly, but at the same time to pro cinematography market is very different than the photo market. These guys don't bat an eyelid at buying Red Epics for $35K+ and it's well worth the money as a few years before the equivalent camera would have cost $100K+...

Look at the cost of PL mount lenses compared to Canon EF-mount lenses...

Stone 13 wrote in post #15023306
Edit: and please spare me the "Apple does the exact same thing" argument. Other than the iPad 3, I don't pay the Apple tax for similar reasons....

Um.. I didn't mention Apple...?

talbot_sunbeam wrote in post #15023462
Um.. I didn't mention Apple...?

Sorry, that part of my post was more general in nature. Not intended to directly address you.

What I read from what story is that Canon might enable 4k video in a few years for the 1DX, similar to what it has done with the recent 7D firmware updates.