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Sep 21, 2012 11:27 |  #16

gjl711 wrote in post #15023435 (external link)
Your buddy is full of bovine excrement and knows not what he is talking about or is a snob and trying to beat you down so you can't show him up.

^^^this^^^


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Sep 21, 2012 11:35 |  #17

tbsguy18 wrote in post #15023732 (external link)
I like that lol.

I'm going to talk to him some more and see if he's just being a snob or if he actually had a legitimate reason. He's great at what he does, and its earning him a pretty nice living, so like I said before, I tend to value his opinion. Maybe I just missed the point he was trying to make?

So...135 or 70-200?

My take is:

135mm f2 for speed. Great for achieving those higher shutter speeds (good for sports and increasing handhold-ability in low light) as well as achieving great background blur. Reputed for being sharp--even the corners are sharp (lack of corner sharpness problem for some EF lenses but I suppose that's not a concern for you at this time).
http://www.the-digital-picture.com ….0-L-USM-Lens-Review.aspx (external link)

70-200mm f4 for versatility. I have one myself (using it on a crop) and I enjoy using it for shooting landscape and amateur portraiture. Albeit, the background blur won't be as great as the 135mm f2 L at 135mm, the 200mm end will help with the throwing out the background if you'd like to do that.
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Sep 21, 2012 11:40 |  #18

You buy the lens for its capability (low light, sharpness, IS, lack of aberrations) and not based on which camera body it will be used. L lenses excel in all those categories and I use my L lenses on my 7D all the time.


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Sep 21, 2012 14:07 |  #19

Sorry but some of Canons most expensive bodies were crops - Pretty sure a 1D MKIV is surely worthy a red ring. Sounding like your friend has been shooting 6 years but is not yet qualified to open his mouth.
All I own are crops and the only Canon glass I use is "L" glass.


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Sep 21, 2012 19:03 |  #20

tbsguy18 wrote in post #15023406 (external link)
I decided to add another less to my lineup and was trying to decide between the Canon 135 f/2L or the 70-200 f/4L...
I played with my buddies 135, and rented the 70-200. For me, they were both great and I got the images I wanted.
It wasn't till after I finished my testing that my buddy told me "not to waste my money on L glass...you have a crop sensor. Its not worth it."
He's been shooting for 6+ years, and I tend to value his opinion when it comes to photography. He's always been my go to guy for any questions I've had, but now I'm confused. Ultimately, I'm going to make my own decision, but is there any grain of truth to what he said? Or is it just his preference>
Thanks!

maybe some are not worth it, I do know telephotos like 100-400 and 400 prime are pretty nice




  
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Sep 21, 2012 22:56 |  #21

tbsguy18 wrote in post #15023406 (external link)
I decided to add another less to my lineup and was trying to decide between the Canon 135 f/2L or the 70-200 f/4L...
I played with my buddies 135, and rented the 70-200. For me, they were both great and I got the images I wanted.
It wasn't till after I finished my testing that my buddy told me "not to waste my money on L glass...you have a crop sensor. Its not worth it."
He's been shooting for 6+ years, and I tend to value his opinion when it comes to photography. He's always been my go to guy for any questions I've had, but now I'm confused. Ultimately, I'm going to make my own decision, but is there any grain of truth to what he said? Or is it just his preference>
Thanks!

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Sep 21, 2012 23:07 |  #22

Tell your unknowledgeable friend that a smaller format REQUIRES MORE LENS PERFORMANCE!

A lens only delivers so much detail resolution...a typical excellent FF lens delivers about 80 line-pairs/millimeter to the focal plane.
So 80*24 = 1920 line-pairs per FF picture height. 80*15 = 1200 line-pairs per APS-C picture height.
If you enlarge FF to 8x12" print, it requires 8.5x magnification or 9.4 line pairs/mm on print from FF; If you enlarge APS-C to 8x12" print, it requires 13.5x magnification or 5.9 line pairs/mm on print from APS-C.

In other words, an APS-C camera really needs a lens which could deliver 80*1.6 or 128 line-pairs/millimeter simply to EQUAL what the FF print delivers!


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Sep 21, 2012 23:10 |  #23

This isnt the same guy that says we shouldnt use the words "shoot" or "shooter" anymore is it?


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Sep 21, 2012 23:15 |  #24

gjl711 wrote in post #15023435 (external link)
bovine excrement

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Sep 21, 2012 23:21 |  #25

Tell you "friend" that you decide to get the 400 F2.8L instead and see how he react....


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Sep 22, 2012 00:17 |  #26

mplezia wrote in post #15023436 (external link)
So get the L if it will do things for you that your current lenses can not. A good lens will last you through multiple body upgrades, so don't shy away from more expensive lenses just because your current camera isn't a pro body.

Whats this mean? pro body? professional body? Is this a common name for a FF body?

I would think the term would be used for the person and not the camera.

But I don't know, not **** about it,,, just trying to learn.




  
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Sep 22, 2012 02:07 |  #27

What camera body does your friend use & what type of stuff does he shoot? He may have a point if he's refferring to not getting the best from an L lens (such as nice bokeh), but this is subject dependant. I use a 7D with a telephoto L lens for wildlife / birds & the quality is excellent. I also have a 70-200L ISII & found, that although it gives great results on the crop sensor (portraits), it is better suited for a full frame sensor to really see it's quality. Regardless of sensor size though, better glass will mean better quality IMO.




  
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Sep 22, 2012 02:20 |  #28

indoors I use me 70-20 f4 on my 5dII outdoors I use on my crop....L glass is expensive....and I love it....very sharp....

find new friends.... I shoot with die hard pro nikon user and they would never pull bs like that they tell me buy the best you can get...quality counts....


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Sep 22, 2012 02:41 |  #29

L glass isn't only about sharpness. they have superior build quality too. regardless of your sensor, this is always worth it.


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Sep 22, 2012 08:00 |  #30

i used quite a bit of L glass on crop bodies (40D and 7D), the only I didn't like was my 85L. i didn't find out how good that lens was until i got a FF body, the others were great.




  
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