Canon eos 6d offically announced

Pekka wrote in post #15032047
Discussing shortcomings and being critical is fine. The way you say it matters a lot. What Chosenbydestiny quoted above from your posts is a fast road to ban world. Respect that this is a Canon user forum now and you'll be respected.

Again: https://photography-on-the.net …p?p=15004910#po​st15004910

Thank you.

About time someone calls out these Canon-bashing trolls. A lot of this thread sounds like the old Chevy vs. Ford pickup wars. I used to enjoy this site...

Mike55 wrote in post #15032006
I apologize if objective measurement data from a neutral source makes you lash out.

That's not my problem.

I am a Canon fan, having owned everything from an XT to a 5D II. I enjoy their lenses, the interface, and the feel of their cameras.

However, the heart of a camera is the sensor, and Canon is getting whipped. New bodies with old sensors are not attractive, like a Ferrari with the engine of a Honda Civic. Something about it just rings hollow.

I'm not going over to Nikon. But what I am going to do is wait until Canon uses a modern sensor for their cameras before I "upgrade".

There's no need to shout "go over to Nkion then!" or "waaaaa! I disagree with objective measurements!".

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having the self-awareness to realize your favorite brand is not up to snuff right now. In fact, discussing such shortcomings are the seeds of change. If everyone who had a complaint about Canon was censored, we'd all have really, really bad cameras.

If canon was that bad the images we all look at in sports illustrated, nat geo and other mags where you get to see some behind the scenes shot with canon equipment are basically not up to snuff?

Equipment does matter, but canon cameras produce production quality photos in spite of dxo's test results, is the point.

stsva wrote in post #15031650
If you really meant this, you'd be shooting medium or large format.

According to DXO, the D800E is supposed to be better than Medium format. Like I said, many photographers have questions about DXO's integrity.

Hogloff wrote in post #15031731
Only the Canon fanboy brigade thinks DXO is rigged. If these same people would bother actually looking at the tests in detail they would understand what reality is.

In you opinion....
For years I've suspected the DXO are biased towards Nikon with their testing benchmarks. Recently more so. And no I am not alone in this view and no it's not the Canon fan boys as you presume. DXO seem to change their test base every time a new generation of Nikon gear is released, each time their new batch of tests always show Nikon in the best possible light, it's as if they design their tests to show case Nikon's features off. DZO is not an industry recognized standard of testing but just another web site with self professed aspirations.

I dare say when Canon's new 41mp sensor hots the market, it will fare badly in the DXO tests. I'm sure DXO will adjust their points scales to indicate that DR is now more important than resolution...and thus award a higher score to a Nikon camera and thus claim superiority. Once upon a time Canon sensors (not too long ago) were higher resolution, better iso ability and equal DR to Nikon, but guess what Nikon always came out higher in their DXO scores. History is history and DXO have been far from consistent and impartial in my observation and opinion.

Every year near Photokina the debate starts again:

DXO says Nikon > Canon
Users say something else
Fan boys say other stuff
And the world keeps spinning.

I remember when the D7000 came out: Oh, this thing will DESTROY the 7D.
I remember when the D800/E came out: Oh, no comparison with the 5D3. Way better!
Now the D600 vs 6D: It's much better for the same price!

The whole "IQ is what matters" thing is overrated. I seriously doubt you can distinguish a picture of a Canon to a Nikon with similar PP, except if you push the shadows 5 stops and look at 100%.

Who or what is DXO?

Definitely upgrading bodies. Torn between a used 5dmkii or the new 6d. I am leaning toward the 6d but I am concerned about the focusing. So it is a wait and see for me. anxious to see some reviews by users.

Simplistic wrote in post #15032401
Who or what is DXO?

A Nikon funded review company created for obvious marketing reasons. Some naive consumers believe every number they post.. even though they've never posted a photo to support their results. It's actually a genius marketing tactic by Nikon!

scorpio_e wrote in post #15032422
Definitely upgrading bodies. Torn between a used 5dmkii or the new 6d. I am leaning toward the 6d but I am concerned about the focusing. So it is a wait and see for me. anxious to see some reviews by users.

I'm in a similar position here. I've been sitting on a 5Dc for some time and the 5Dmkii looks like a nice step up, but some of its innards are out of date. Disregarding all of the hubbub and angst over a camera that hasn't had a chance to prove itself in the field, the 6D looks like a nice body to bring the mkii to modern spec.

scorpio_e wrote in post #15032422
Definitely upgrading bodies. Torn between a used 5dmkii or the new 6d. I am leaning toward the 6d but I am concerned about the focusing.

Don't be.
It's vastly better than my 7D in really low light (I checked them both out in Photokina yesterday).
I'm very impressed. I'd bet it's much better than the 5DII also.

Care to elaborate on what you did to test it. Would be interested in a comparison to a 7d for obvious reasons
Thanks.

Mike55 wrote in post #15032006
I apologize if objective measurement data from a neutral source makes you lash out.

That's not my problem.

I am a Canon fan, having owned everything from an XT to a 5D II. I enjoy their lenses, the interface, and the feel of their cameras.

However, the heart of a camera is the sensor, and Canon is getting whipped. New bodies with old sensors are not attractive, like a Ferrari with the engine of a Honda Civic. Something about it just rings hollow.

I'm not going over to Nikon. But what I am going to do is wait until Canon uses a modern sensor for their cameras before I "upgrade".

There's no need to shout "go over to Nkion then!" or "waaaaa! I disagree with objective measurements!".

There's absolutely nothing wrong with having the self-awareness to realize your favorite brand is not up to snuff right now. In fact, discussing such shortcomings are the seeds of change. If everyone who had a complaint about Canon was censored, we'd all have really, really bad cameras.

Discussing shortcomings is one thing. Throwing out unnecessarily provocative statements as you did (e.g., "cell phone sensors," camera x "destroys" camera y) is both ridiculously hyperbolic and the opposite of intelligent, informed discussion.

andrikos wrote in post #15032488
Don't be.
It's vastly better than my 7D in really low light (I checked them both out in Photokina yesterday).
I'm very impressed. I'd bet it's much better than the 5DII also.

Thanks for the input.Exactly what this thread should be about. The smaller size is a plus. Not a fan of sd cards but Iike the price of them. My main concern was its focus ability.

I bought my 5Dc back in January and absolutely love it. But, the AF is slow and the shutter lag is frustrating at times. So I had planned to upgrade to a 5D III sometime next year. Whether it'd be a new one or a used one would depend on prices. But now that we have heard some positive reports from people who actually had their hands on a 6D and fired a few shots with it I am getting more and more interested. If the AF is as good as these reports say it is, then I might end up buying one.
Quite exciting really...

And thank you, Pekka!!

Over on Fred Miranda there is a gentleman who works in the Tamron booth at Photokina who has been testing the 6D in his spare time. His recent impressions are:

"I tested my 5D II next to it and all outer points worked more reliable with 6d at same conditions. Plastic is only used for the upper body cover.
Here some additional information:
- I checked silent mode this morning, before the Canon booth was overcrowded and found it excellent.
- I did not check myself because I do not know the limitations of 5D IIIs auto ISO settings but I was told by three presentators from home one I know since years, that it is equal to 5D III
- They told me that high ISO IQ (12.800 & 25K) is comparable to 5D IIIs output in raw and jpeg, too."

The thread is here, http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/11503​48/4