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Oct 01, 2012 14:57 |  #16

The thing I keep thinking about is that I may be doing more sports and events related photography in the future, and using a 5D2 is really sluggish for that, obviously. I would be missing alot of action in between burst shots, in between 2 frames, the ball would move 10 yards. Anyway, I was thinking of getting the 1D3 for now, and buying back the 5D2 later as the prices are really going to drop now for them.


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Oct 01, 2012 15:02 |  #17

If you can't keep the 5D II and get the 1D 3 maybe consider adding a 1D IIn? I have owned both the IIn and 1D 3 and the differences IQ wise are minimal. The IIn is 8.5 fps and I think 8MB if I remember correctly. But the AI Servo tracking focus on the IIn is outstanding. They are practically giving them away these days as I see them for $650 now all the time.


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Oct 01, 2012 16:41 |  #18

Tony_Stark wrote in post #15066037 (external link)
The thing I keep thinking about is that I may be doing more sports and events related photography in the future, and using a 5D2 is really sluggish for that, obviously. I would be missing alot of action in between burst shots, in between 2 frames, the ball would move 10 yards. Anyway, I was thinking of getting the 1D3 for now, and buying back the 5D2 later as the prices are really going to drop now for them.

If you think the 5dmk2 is sluggish in center focus the 1dmk3 will not blow your socks off. Your files will look decent when you put them on print. The IQ of the 5dmk2 has now ruined you with a benchmark that the 1dmk3 cannot match. In your case its crucial to documenting frame per frame with sports. As far as "human" events photography I'd rather use a 5dmk2 vs my previous 1dmk3.


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Oct 01, 2012 17:14 |  #19

AlanU wrote in post #15066489 (external link)
If you think the 5dmk2 is sluggish in center focus the 1dmk3 will not blow your socks off. Your files will look decent when you put them on print. The IQ of the 5dmk2 has now ruined you with a benchmark that the 1dmk3 cannot match. In your case its crucial to documenting frame per frame with sports. As far as "human" events photography I'd rather use a 5dmk2 vs my previous 1dmk3.

It looks like the 1D3 AF is about twice as fast as the 5d2 on static subjects in these two reviews:
https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E1D​MK3/E1DMK3A6.HTM (external link)
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E5D​2/E5D2A6.HTM (external link)

If you go to AF expansion on the 1D3, I think tracking is going to go a LOT better.

Maybe there was some reason from your usage pattern that helped the 5D out a bit more for you?


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Oct 01, 2012 17:15 |  #20

Wow... just wow... All the 1D3 haters in here. There is absolutely NOTING wrong with the 1D3 and it'd be a great body for you to use and own.

To all those that question it: then explain to me why one of the best sports photographers for Getty Images I know shot with 3 1D3's well after the 1D4 came out and only upgraded this season?

Shot with 1D3 70-200 @ 70mm f/2.8 ISO1600

IMAGE NOT FOUND
IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO


1D3 on 300mm f/2.8L @ f/2.8 1/800 ISO2000
IMAGE NOT FOUND
IMAGE IS A REDIRECT OR MISSING!
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO


Personally tho, I'd try to do what you can to keep the 5D2 and get a 1D3. I can't tell you the number of times I've been at sporting events and either mine or someone else camera failed and only saving grace was having a backup.

-Something else you might consider is a 7D as they can be picked up for just as much as a 1D3 these days I am reading and although lack a lot of the custom functions that the 1D3 has is still a very capable body.

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Oct 01, 2012 18:27 |  #21

Chris, good shots!! A while ago the 1dmk3 was the only solution for pro build fast AF sports camera.

Sports shooters typically are strategically placed with appropriate long tele lenses to fill the frames of their camera to get the shot. Maximizing the available pixels will provide decent photos.

My old 50D was decent in landing the shots aswell as producing decent files when I strategically tweak them in LR3 (lr4 did not exist when I owned the body).

The 1dmk4 $$$$ is absolutely more appealing in the sense that it has more MP and clean high ISO performance. Only concern is landing the shot in servo in low light (lots of real users report of hunting in low light).

All I know is that when doing portrait work I can see a substantial IQ difference between my 5dmk2 files vs 1dmk3 raw files. However between my 5dc and 1dmk3 the gap was much less but the 5dc still had better IQ IMO.

If you job requires the landing of shots the IQ is the compromise if your going 5dmk2 to 1dmk3. Thats all I'm really saying.


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Oct 01, 2012 18:56 |  #22

AlanU wrote in post #15066861 (external link)
Chris, good shots!! A while ago the 1dmk3 was the only solution for pro build fast AF sports camera.

Sports shooters typically are strategically placed with appropriate long tele lenses to fill the frames of their camera to get the shot. Maximizing the available pixels will provide decent photos.

My old 50D was decent in landing the shots aswell as producing decent files when I strategically tweak them in LR3 (lr4 did not exist when I owned the body).

The 1dmk4 $$$$ is absolutely more appealing in the sense that it has more MP and clean high ISO performance. Only concern is landing the shot in servo in low light (lots of real users report of hunting in low light).

All I know is that when doing portrait work I can see a substantial IQ difference between my 5dmk2 files vs 1dmk3 raw files. However between my 5dc and 1dmk3 the gap was much less but the 5dc still had better IQ IMO.

If you job requires the landing of shots the IQ is the compromise if your going 5dmk2 to 1dmk3. Thats all I'm really saying.

This is really the main point that is holding me back. I will be testing out a 1D3 and take some sample shots to see how I like the files. The whole thing about having the effective resolution I have is kind of scaring me a bit, but I want to see if its a legitimate worry. 1D3s are getting a bit harder to find for a good price and good condition at the same time. The one I have available to me to trade is in very good condition, above the affected AF issue range, and has a decent shutter number.

5D2s are continuing to fall in price and would have no problem picking one up later, just have to see if being without a 21MP FF sensor for a couple of months will be worth it for increased Af performance, more rugged body, more memory card slots etc.


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Oct 01, 2012 19:19 as a reply to  @ Tony_Stark's post |  #23

I had the 5dm2 and absolutely hated it for the focusing reason you listed. I traded it for a 1D3 and have not looked back since.


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Oct 01, 2012 19:36 |  #24

I guess to put it this way, would I miss more shots because of the sensor or because of the slower FPS and AF ability of the camera? I believe the latter is the biggest factor at this point for me.


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Oct 01, 2012 20:08 |  #25

An 8x10 view camera will give IQ that will absolutely, positively KILL the 5D-III any day of the week and will bury the 1D-III.

Does that mean I'll be using one at my next soccer match or indoor basketball game? (the answer is NO).

I have the 1D III and 5D II. I shoot sports. There is NO WAY you'd convince me to take the 5D rather than the 1D. There is no noise advantage or supposed IQ improvement that the 5D II has that would make it be my choice over the 1D.

Why?

Because an in-focus image at the peak of the action is a must-have. Top-notch IQ is a nice-to-have. The 1D will focus more quickly and will track the action more accurately. It will also exhibit less lag between pressing the shutter button and capturing the image. Add to that the high frame rate and your odds of getting a great shot are far better. Oh, and the built-in grip is more pleasing to me than any bolt-on I've had.

For outdoor sports, the 1D-II or IIn focuses even better than the 1D-III and would save you several hundred dollars. For indoor sports, the 1D-III pulls ahead both in AF performance and in high ISO performance.


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Oct 01, 2012 20:09 |  #26

Tony_Stark wrote in post #15067158 (external link)
I guess to put it this way, would I miss more shots because of the sensor or because of the slower FPS and AF ability of the camera? I believe the latter is the biggest factor at this point for me.

In your case I'd go with a 1dmk3 and take a hit on image quality but land more shots. I liked my 50D alot more than my 1dmk3. The 1dmk3 files needs massaging to get the best IQ out of the raw files.

The IQ on print will be good with the 1dmk3. People are not as critical as photogs. IF you have to crop alot with a 10mp file......both your client and yourself will regret the image quality. At least the 7D you'll have more MP to play with if you need to crop.

If the 1dmk3 is such a phenominal camera the 1dmk4 would be a poor seller. My take is demanding users want more MP for cropping abilities however the IQ between the two apparently are almost lateral.


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Oct 01, 2012 20:11 |  #27

Tony_Stark wrote in post #15067158 (external link)
I guess to put it this way, would I miss more shots because of the sensor or because of the slower FPS and AF ability of the camera? I believe the latter is the biggest factor at this point for me.

Sports photography is an area where equipment really DOES make a big difference. A true craftsman doesn't blame his tools because a true craftsman will use the right tool for the job.


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Oct 01, 2012 21:07 |  #28

I guess you are on the tract about AFing.
But another point that needs attention specially in sport photography is the combination of the right memory card with 5Dii.
I saw a significant improvement on speed of my burst mode (That you need for sure in sport shooting) when switch to high speed memory card. Very happy on video also.


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Oct 01, 2012 21:20 |  #29

I shoot with 533x cards. Not a major brand name like Lexar, SanDisk but its been fast for my needs.


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Oct 01, 2012 22:13 |  #30

If you get about 4 frams per second,for more than a dozen images in a row, you are using the right CF.
My secret CF is Duracell High Speed 32 GB 600X. No wonder it was cheap initially when I bough a few of them under $50 and now it costs about $100.


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