Logo critique

I feel like the child in "The Emperor's New Clothes"... lol

ewheeler20 wrote in post #15085468
I feel like the child in "The Emperor's New Clothes"... lol

Hopefully this'll help you envision it a little more.
That might look better without the gray area as a logo actually, using it in this shape... heheh

Randy

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ooooooooooh. I see it now that it's drawn out like that. Looking back at the original logo it disappears, but I understand how i guess somebody might think it could possibly potentially barely kinda look like NZ if they squinted their eyes enough...

Add your name in between the logo and the word "photo" and it'd work. You have to tell the viewer the name. They wont see it if the name isnt given. Id tweak it, but you dont have "editing ok" turned on.

Hope you dont mind, but I took the liberty of creating something. This is what I was thinking:

recrisp wrote in post #15085151
Well, actually, I have spent a large part of my life doing just that, and other designing. I'm sure that doesn't impress you at all, and it's not meant to, but I'm just saying, that you may not 'get it', that's all.
I've made logos for small and larger companies, (amongst other things since I am an artist by trade) you can't at all judge how good either of us (OP) are by this one instance, not even close.
The design I mentioned was a start, not an end to the design, you have to design, then design some more, rarely, if ever does anyone hit it the first time, it takes more than a few.

I will say, that ALL designers, lawyers, pilots, etc., 50% of all graduate from the bottom of their class... Not all of us are in the upper ranks I admit, we can't be.

Your comment came off as rude and very crude, the way you (always) do.
If there was a way for me to make it to where I didn't have to read your posts, I would do that.
I am really, really tired of people like you being rude and insulting others, please look up the word, "tact".

I have a good idea, I would like to see you make one that he likes, do that, then we'll talk.

I'm jus' sayin'...

Sorry to derail a good thread, I apologize to the OP...

Randy

The fact that you think his logo is pure genius is the main reason I would suggest you get design done by professionals....and perhaps the reason you were in the bottom half of the class. I'm not going to design something because that's not my job. Can I do graphic design? Sure. Can I do it as well as a professional? Absolutely not. But I know enough to know that something is a bad design when I see it. You didn't start out by saying "Well, that's a good start but it needs refining". It's pure genius, through and through. It's kinda like the old phrase from one Ansel Adams - "There is nothing worse than a sharp photo of a fuzzy concept."

Also, tact is for those not witty enough to be sarcastic. Sorry, but I don't beat around the bush or hand out compliments or pats on the back for no good reason just to be "likable" or any other such nonsense. That doesn't do anyone any good.

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Visinate wrote in post #15085095
I don't see why they shouldn't, just because things start off rocky doesn't mean they'll always be bad. Practice.

Sure...practice with your business and toss a bad logo on your work rather than hiring a professional that can design a logo that will compliment you and your work, look professional and be meaningful and help to build brand recognition in your local market. Sounds like a great idea. What business school did you go to so I can make sure not to recommend it?

If you want to practice, go ahead. But practice making stuff that you aren't going to actually use for anything until you get to the point you are good enough to make a quality logo. Or hire someone to do it right.

Going off what recrisp drew, you could alter the logo that way to make it a little more obvious without fully joining up all of the black sections..

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Numenorean wrote in post #15087042
The fact that you think his logo is pure genius is the main reason I would suggest you get design done by professionals....and perhaps the reason you were in the bottom half of the class. I'm not going to design something because that's not my job. Can I do graphic design? Sure. Can I do it as well as a professional? Absolutely not. But I know enough to know that something is a bad design when I see it. You didn't start out by saying "Well, that's a good start but it needs refining". It's pure genius, through and through. It's kinda like the old phrase from one Ansel Adams - "There is nothing worse than a sharp photo of a fuzzy concept."

Also, tact is for those not witty enough to be sarcastic. Sorry, but I don't beat around the bush or hand out compliments or pats on the back for no good reason just to be "likable" or any other such nonsense. That doesn't do anyone any good.

Well, for one, nowhere in my post did I say that I was in the bottom half of my class, you said that. Read that part again. I wrote that because it's true, there are many levels of everything. Upper ranks can still not be at the top, I know where I stand in the art world, I am not fooling myself, but you don't know where you stand, that is the difference...

The overall design is "pure genius", I stand by that, it'll need a tweak or two, the gist of it is genius, to me, I didn't say that I think it is genius for everyone here, if I did, I'd be wrong.

"tact is for those not witty enough to be sarcastic"
I don't care who may have said that originally, rude is rude, and there is a difference between beating around the bush and rudeness, that is two different things entirely, there is no excuse for rudeness on ANY of these forums.
There are many ways of critiquing anything without resorting to being rude, and a pat on the back has nothing at all to do with a good critique.
Sarcasm or rudeness has no place at all in any critique on this forum, or any other, none at all. Honesty does though, but there is a huge difference, think about that... Having one liners that are sarcastic especially don't help in any way, but if a person explained what they meant in an adult fashion, one that show the good and the bad, that could help.
"That doesn't do anyone any good" (Your words, not mine)

Some people actually think that because they are on a critique forum (or someone shows an image) they can be as rude as they want, that is not the intent of critiquing one's image. Kids on YouTube think that too, at least they do have an excuse, they are young, children, they may not have learned enough life lessons yet, or the responsibilities of being an adult. So while they still go on about how a person is this, or that, there is still hope that they will grow up and be responsible. Maybe you will see what is before you, we can only hope.
Take the time that you put in using your lack of tact to a positive way and I would imagine that you will see a difference in the way you are treated.

Like I said, I wish there was a way to block you, I would.
I am through talking to you, so go crazy with this.

Randy

shep207 wrote in post #15087102
you could alter the logo that way to make it a little more obvious without fully joining up all of the black sections..

That image you made definitely helps clear up the 'not seeing it'...

Last night I thought about the design some to see what it could be, on mine, first I'd make the NZ to where it was square, not vertically rectangular. I'd put NICHOLAS ZALUD in a small, thin font on the left hand side, and PHOTOGRAPHY on the bottom. (The type font would be overkill if it were also bold, NZ already being bold is already enough)
All of the small fonts Justified to even it out. Also, I'd lower the opacity in Photoshop to where the NZ was semi-transparent, that was if he used it on a dark background, or a light, (as a logo or a watermark) it would work.
Something like that anyway...

That's how I might do it, if it were up to me, I don't even know if the OP is coming back anyway, it's been a while...

Randy

recrisp wrote in post #15087204
Well, for one, nowhere in my post did I say that I was in the bottom half of my class, you said that. Read that part again. I wrote that because it's true, there are many levels of everything. Upper ranks can still not be at the top, I know where I stand in the art world, I am not fooling myself, but you don't know where you stand, that is the difference...

The overall design is "pure genius", I stand by that, it'll need a tweak or two, the gist of it is genius, to me, I didn't say that I think it is genius for everyone here, if I did, I'd be wrong.

"tact is for those not witty enough to be sarcastic"
I don't care who may have said that originally, rude is rude, and there is a difference between beating around the bush and rudeness, that is two different things entirely, there is no excuse for rudeness on ANY of these forums.
There are many ways of critiquing anything without resorting to being rude, and a pat on the back has nothing at all to do with a good critique.
Sarcasm or rudeness has no place at all in any critique on this forum, or any other, none at all. Honesty does though, but there is a huge difference, think about that... Having one liners that are sarcastic especially don't help in any way, but if a person explained what they meant in an adult fashion, one that show the good and the bad, that could help.
"That doesn't do anyone any good" (Your words, not mine)

Some people actually think that because they are on a critique forum (or someone shows an image) they can be as rude as they want, that is not the intent of critiquing one's image. Kids on YouTube think that too, at least they do have an excuse, they are young, children, they may not have learned enough life lessons yet, or the responsibilities of being an adult. So while they still go on about how a person is this, or that, there is still hope that they will grow up and be responsible. Maybe you will see what is before you, we can only hope.
Take the time that you put in using your lack of tact to a positive way and I would imagine that you will see a difference in the way you are treated.

Like I said, I wish there was a way to block you, I would.
I am through talking to you, so go crazy with this.

Randy

lol...wow. Anyway I'm not being rude and I wasn't saying that I was being sarcastic...just dismissing the tact part. I'm brutally honest, and will always be that way. I'm treated just fine and the people whom have worked with me have grown in a positive way so I feel fine about helping others.

This whole thread reminds me of a Tom Hanks movie a few years ago,"That Thing You Do". The band was looking for a name for themselves, and they came up with the name "The Wonders", but they wanted to be different, and they got creative and spelled it "The One Ders", except everybody called them the "oh-niders". Some of the most recognizable logo's we have today including Apple, Starbucks etc, took years to evolved. Sometimes different isn't always better. -rick


Different, not necessarily better...

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Based on the mirror image like logo, it actually looks like SZ and not NZ based on the "cut" or "breaks" in the black.

in the image below, you can see how the N would not be a mirror image of the Z and that's where part of the problem is...in my opinion.

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