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Oct 06, 2012 21:42 as a reply to  @ post 15088800 |  #31

Ok I have to process my 7D and 350D differently as far as sharpness and noise reduction so I get that, but what is this colors stuff?


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Oct 06, 2012 21:56 |  #32
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FEChariot wrote in post #15088881 (external link)
Ok I have to process my 7D and 350D differently as far as sharpness and noise reduction so I get that, but what is this colors stuff?

The tonal graduation is way different on a 7d from a 5d2. This will affect things like skin colours. These things might seen nit picky to some, but if you want to deliver a quality photo, they all count and they are all different on a 7d as a posed to a 5d2. All these differences add up to extra processing time if you shoot different camera systems.

I understand if there is a financial reason involved that forces you to two different cameras, but please don't say there is not a hit using a crop and a 5d2 concurrently.




  
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Oct 06, 2012 21:56 |  #33

Hogloff wrote in post #15088800 (external link)
I don't know why you don't see the difference in images from the two cameras. I guess if you batch process all the images with the same brush that explains a lot.

Uhhhh....if I expose the same in the same lighting conditions, then I can adjust one photo and then apply that to all the other photos in that grouping. That's the beauty of Lightroom and why post processing is so quick. If you pay attention to details, expose properly, and get consistently accurate shots, then you don't need to mess with every single shot at one location. I have my indoor shots, my outdoor shots....there is some variation with the couples shots, but most of those I don't have to do much processing to anyway and can use them right out of the camera.

I don't use any brushes in my post processing anyway so I don't know what you are talking about in that respect.


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Oct 06, 2012 21:58 |  #34

Hogloff wrote in post #15088793 (external link)
Yes, noise reduction, amounts of sharpening, colours etc... Each camera is different and requires a different approach in post processing to achieve great results. For those members that say they can use the same approach in post processing between a 5d2 and a 50d must not be that concerned with image quality as straight out of the camera, each camera is vastly different. I guess if people don't see the difference...ignorance is bliss. Whatever makes each happy I guess.

Why can't you get great photos right out of any camera? I can.


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Oct 06, 2012 22:14 |  #35

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Sorry, but processing a crop image versus a 5d2 requires a totally different approach to dealing with noise and colours. I have a 7d and 5d2 and I need to approach each camera differently. Of course if ultimate image quality is of not a concern...then all images are made equal.



I found this to be true when I had the 7d and 5Dc. The 7d was a lot noisier. Having said that I only own two cameras at a time and they are always different formats (presently the 5Dc and 1DmkIII). With these two bodies I can process pics identically. But with the two formats I have the ability to get two different perspectives from a single lens. I also like having bodies that have different capabilities.


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Oct 06, 2012 22:35 |  #36
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Numenorean wrote in post #15088921 (external link)
Uhhhh....if I expose the same in the same lighting conditions, then I can adjust one photo and then apply that to all the other photos in that grouping. That's the beauty of Lightroom and why post processing is so quick. If you pay attention to details, expose properly, and get consistently accurate shots, then you don't need to mess with every single shot at one location. I have my indoor shots, my outdoor shots....there is some variation with the couples shots, but most of those I don't have to do much processing to anyway and can use them right out of the camera.

I don't use any brushes in my post processing anyway so I don't know what you are talking about in that respect.

I guess we differ as to what we try to achieve with our photos. Like I said, if batch processing is good enough, then go for it. I shoot events where lighting changes all the time and batch processing just does not make it. Even painting the noise reduction all the same for all the batch just will not work as some photos require more than others. Maybe we just have differing standards.




  
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Oct 06, 2012 22:37 |  #37
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Numenorean wrote in post #15088927 (external link)
Why can't you get great photos right out of any camera? I can.

Really, no processing at all. Do you shoot jpeg per chance as that would explain lots.




  
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twoshadows wrote in post #15088982 (external link)
I found this to be true when I had the 7d and 5Dc. The 7d was a lot noisier. Having said that I only own two cameras at a time and they are always different formats (presently the 5Dc and 1DmkIII). With these two bodies I can process pics identically. But with the two formats I have the ability to get two different perspectives from a single lens. I also like having bodies that have different capabilities.

I would rather have the same cameras and use different lenses to obtain different perspectives.




  
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Oct 06, 2012 22:41 |  #39

Hogloff wrote in post #15089055 (external link)
I guess we differ as to what we try to achieve with our photos. Like I said, if batch processing is good enough, then go for it. I shoot events where lighting changes all the time and batch processing just does not make it. Even painting the noise reduction all the same for all the batch just will not work as some photos require more than others. Maybe we just have differing standards.

Why would I paint noise reduction? That doesn't make any sense.

Lighting changes in different areas, but is consistent in each area, therefore the adjustments needed are pretty much the same. I don't need to paint different areas of event photos....I used to have to do things like that when I was still learning and not taking very good or consistent shots.


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Oct 06, 2012 22:41 |  #40

Hogloff wrote in post #15089061 (external link)
Really, no processing at all. Do you shoot jpeg per chance as that would explain lots.

No, I shoot RAW. Why would I shoot JPEG?


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Oct 06, 2012 22:53 |  #41

I shoot weddings and events with a 5D3 and a 7D. I take the same three lenses everywhere - 16-35 f/2.8L, 24-70 f/2.8L and 70-200 f/2.8L.

In fact, these are the only lenses I own and the kit was put together specifically to cover as many situations as possible with as few lenses as possible.


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Numenorean wrote in post #15089077 (external link)
Why would I paint noise reduction? That doesn't make any sense.

Lighting changes in different areas, but is consistent in each area, therefore the adjustments needed are pretty much the same. I don't need to paint different areas of event photos....I used to have to do things like that when I was still learning and not taking very good or consistent shots.

Maybe your lighting stays the same, but shooting concerts, I can tell you it changes sometimes during the exposure. Shooting in a controlled environment might be a different situation.

As far as noise reduction goes, I find if I am to adjust the entire 7d image with the same amount, the image starts to become very plastic looking. I need to selectively apply noise reduction in the image. And before you say I should learn to expose, these images are exposed properly, but the ISO is usually higher than 1600. At those ISO levels, there is a major difference between the 7d and 5d2 and they require drastically different approaches to noise reduction.

Can you tell me the benefit you see to shooting two different types of cameras. I've mentioned plenty of issues using two different cameras...let's here some advantages.




  
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Numenorean wrote in post #15089080 (external link)
No, I shoot RAW. Why would I shoot JPEG?

Because you said you can get great results from your camera straight out of he camera. All raw files I have ever seen require work before they approach acceptable.




  
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Oct 06, 2012 23:10 |  #44

Hogloff wrote in post #15089068 (external link)
I would rather have the same cameras and use different lenses to obtain different perspectives.

To each their own. :)

For me having two different bodies allows me to shoot more things easier and betterer, lol. In general,1DmkIII for hummingbirds, sports & PJ and the 5Dc for anything that stands still, i.e. portraits, macro, etc.


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Oct 07, 2012 01:42 |  #45

Hogloff wrote in post #15089116 (external link)
Can you tell me the benefit you see to shooting two different types of cameras. I've mentioned plenty of issues using two different cameras...let's here some advantages.

Let me throw this back at you then. Why do you have both a 7D and a 5D2 then? There must be some reason to have both. Are there things your 7D can do that your 5D2 can't?


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