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Gear change - time to replace the 100-400 I think

 
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Oct 12, 2012 13:20 as a reply to  @ post 15113361 |  #31

I wonder if the problem with your lens is optical or IS related. One way to tell would be to mount the camera/lens on a tripod with IS off and take a shot at 1/200s. If you get a sharp image, then the IS may be malfunctioning. You may just have a bum lens.

Have you tried another 100-400 on your 7D? Perhaps take your 7D to a camera store and see if they will let you take some test shots using a new 100-400.


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Oct 12, 2012 13:27 |  #32

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I wonder if the problem with your lens is optical or IS related. One way to tell would be to mount the camera/lens on a tripod with IS off and take a shot at 1/200s. If you get a sharp image, then the IS may be malfunctioning. You may just have a bum lens.

Have you tried another 100-400 on your 7D? Perhaps take your 7D to a camera store and see if they will let you take some test shots using a new 100-400.

When I have IS on the glass really shakes when focus lock is achieved. I'm told it's normal to move a little but this seems pretty harsh to me.

I did try a different lens the shop I rent from and while standing still shooting at a sign across the street I didn't notice any real difference when I reviewed the images later but then again, I wasn't moving at all the target was fairly close.


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Oct 12, 2012 13:31 |  #33

I have both setups with the 70-200 ii and 2x iii and keep thinling about replacing my 100-400 with a faster lens. Ive come to the conclusion the next step would be to get a 400 f4 or 500. Until then ill just have to gut it out with my 100-400 which isnt a bad thing.


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Oct 12, 2012 13:51 |  #34

Leftcoast_Mike wrote in post #15113470 (external link)
When I have IS on the glass really shakes when focus lock is achieved. I'm told it's normal to move a little but this seems pretty harsh to me.

I did try a different lens the shop I rent from and while standing still shooting at a sign across the street I didn't notice any real difference when I reviewed the images later but then again, I wasn't moving at all the target was fairly close.

I had a 100-400 that kinda juddered when locked, had to take 10 shots to get 1 sharp. Canon did not find a fault. I sent it back and changed, had the 2nd for years, it is brilliant.


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Oct 12, 2012 14:03 |  #35

I used the 100-400 on a 7D and was never really happy with the results. Tried another 100-400 but that didn't help either. I switched to a 1D MKIV and now my 100-400 shines again. I have no idea what it is about the 7D but it did not like that lens. All my other bodies did fine and yes, I tried to MA the 7D but it really did not help.




  
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Oct 12, 2012 14:03 |  #36

why are you using ISO 100?...use ISO 400, and you don't even need to bother with noise reduction software...


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Oct 12, 2012 14:09 as a reply to  @ DreDaze's post |  #37

1.6 crop + 400mm + 2-stop IS + noob = disaster


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Oct 12, 2012 14:15 as a reply to  @ DreDaze's post |  #38

I thoroughly hated my 100-400 and was glad to see the back of it. I'm saving my pennies for the 400L 2.8 II.

A mate of mine got himself the 70-300mm f/4-5.6 L IS which he uses on his 7D and loves it, it's impressively sharp as well. So I wouldn't rule that off your radar.

I also know someone on Facebook who got himself a 400L f/5.6, and what he gets is very impressive. He got photo of the month in BBC Wildlife magazine a month or two ago, of a mouse or something. Affordable as well.

The 70-200L f/2.8 II is quite simply an incredible lens, but it sounds like it won't have the reach of the 100-400 for your needs, which would mean you would obviously have to fall back on extenders, which simply don't do it for me personally. But each to their own.


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Oct 12, 2012 14:19 as a reply to  @ Neilyb's post |  #39

I would not give up on the 100-400 just yet. I've seen many warbird photos taken with the lens at slow ss that produces good results. It's the lens I see most at air shows. If I were in your shoes I'd rent or borrow another lens and test it at slow ss while panning. It may be a case where your lens needs servicing from Canon.

Other lenses have been discussed, but what's your buget?


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Oct 12, 2012 14:34 |  #40

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I thoroughly hated my 100-400 and was glad to see the back of it. I'm saving my pennies for the 400L 2.8 II.

A mate of mine got himself the 70-300mm f/4-5.6 L IS which he uses on his 7D and loves it, it's impressively sharp as well. So I wouldn't rule that off your radar.

I also know someone on Facebook who got himself a 400L f/5.6, and what he gets is very impressive. He got photo of the month in BBC Wildlife magazine a month or two ago, of a mouse or something. Affordable as well.

The 70-200L f/2.8 II is quite simply an incredible lens, but it sounds like it won't have the reach of the 100-400 for your needs, which would mean you would obviously have to fall back on extenders, which simply don't do it for me personally. But each to their own.

Mike shoots at slow shutter speeds to capture prop blur. The 400 f5.6 doesn't have IS, which would be a drawback. With my 300 f2.8 I've experimented shooting at slow ss, with IS on and off. Having IS on makes a big difference - much sharper images.

But the 70-300 f4-5.6 L IS might be worth looking into. But it's limited to 300mm, as it can't take an extender. Here's a guy who used the lens for aviation and gets good results. But I don't know what ss is used.

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Oct 12, 2012 14:48 |  #41

Perfectly Frank wrote in post #15113789 (external link)
Mike shoots at slow shutter speeds to capture prop blur. The 400 f5.6 doesn't have IS, which would be a drawback. With my 300 f2.8 I've experimented shooting at slow ss, with IS on and off. Having IS on makes a big difference - much sharper images.

But the 70-300 f4-5.6 L IS might be worth looking into. But it's limited to 300mm, as it can't take an extender. Here's a guy who used the lens for aviation and gets good results. But I don't know what ss is used.

http://forums.dpreview​.com/forums/post/42634​708 (external link)

I think Dean used a tripod to get the photo of the month, he recently was asking what tripod he should get, and the shot came after. But a valid point for hand held shots without IS, they don't really work on large white glass unless you're leant against something like mesh or glass, or are Conan the Barbarian


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Oct 12, 2012 19:48 |  #42

Leftcoast_Mike wrote in post #15113470 (external link)
When I have IS on the glass really shakes when focus lock is achieved. I'm told it's normal to move a little but this seems pretty harsh to me.

I did try a different lens the shop I rent from and while standing still shooting at a sign across the street I didn't notice any real difference when I reviewed the images later but then again, I wasn't moving at all the target was fairly close.

If you're seeing constant jitter when the IS is engaged, you're dealing with a bad IS system; once it has spun up, the image should be stable. Again, have you tried both modes for the IS?


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Oct 12, 2012 19:58 |  #43

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I've rented the new 70-200 f/2.8 IS II but they gave me an older 2x tc and I wasn't that impressed. They said that in order to get the best quality I'd need the version III TC.

So besides that combo, is there anything else?

Heck yeah, the Sigma 120-300 f2.8 - the new version with OS

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There are some reviews written there by folks who have the lens; even more reviews from those who have used the lens on a Nikon.


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Oct 12, 2012 23:34 |  #44

I do get betteer results on a monopod and I am steady hand holding a heavy lens. Have you tried microadjusting for the lens in the camera? Send it in for calibration. Are you using a filter? Remove it and test it again.

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Oct 13, 2012 09:40 |  #45

I see you shoot aviation. I can sympathise with your predicament. Whenever I shoot birds in flight with this lens I struggle. For birds bobbing about it is superb, but for things flying its a no no. I can lock on with my 300 and my 70-200 but not this. Time for you to spend some money I'm afraid, try the Sigma 120-300 with a 1.4 tc.


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