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For a 3rd flash, would you rather have 580EX I or 430EX II?

 
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Oct 16, 2012 18:03 |  #16

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I've got both 580EXIIs and 430EXIIs. I certainly agree that adjusting the 580EXII is easier with the wheel, but I really don't have any issue making adjustments on my 430EXIIs...

Is the 580EX also limited to 1-stop increments, or is that only the 430EX?

I don't believe the 580EX I is limited to 1-stop increments.


  
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Oct 16, 2012 18:17 |  #17

You can do 1/3 or 1/2 stops on the 580ex I. IMO the biggest bummers with the 580ex I are the lack of camera menu control (big issue for use with the yn-622c triggers) and it can't natively be a master for ocf with 2nd curtain sync. The 580exII does both.


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Oct 16, 2012 19:21 |  #18

Landtax wrote in post #15130016 (external link)
I can still control the other 580EXII and the 430EXII from the camera, right? (I have a 60D). If so I think the old 580 will be my choice. Triple-redundancy with master flash (including onboard commander) is TECH.

The optic system is not the best though, the radio based YN-622c are much better, inexpensive and free up a valuable flash from the hotshoe. But you need that MKII flash for the remote manual control.

If it wasn't for that as mentioned I would prefer the 580, but its seriously worth taking into consideraton the YN-622c (external link), especially when you already have most of the right gear to get the most out of them.


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Oct 17, 2012 07:16 |  #19

elv wrote in post #15131462 (external link)
The optic system is not the best though, the radio based YN-622c are much better, inexpensive and free up a valuable flash from the hotshoe. But you need that MKII flash for the remote manual control.

If it wasn't for that as mentioned I would prefer the 580, but its seriously worth taking into consideraton the YN-622c (external link), especially when you already have most of the right gear to get the most out of them.

I believe the 60D and 7D both have the built in optical control for ocf, so no flash needs to be on the hot shoe.


  
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Oct 17, 2012 09:04 |  #20

How difficult or easy the flashes are to use always depends on how you use them. And let's face it, none of these is as easy to adjust as a studio strobe!

When the flash is on the camera, they are all pretty easy to control because the camera menus can do most of the work, and the buttons on the flash do the rest.

Off-camera with a the ST-E2 in ETTL, they are still pretty easy. The older I versions have a simple slider to enable Slave control, and that is nice compared to the newer ones. But not a huge thing.

In manual mode on Radio triggers, I find the 430 flashes to be a pain in the ass. Much easier to adjust the power on the 580.

Anyway, I going to replace the whole mess of stuff with the new 600 setup soon anyway!


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Oct 17, 2012 09:34 |  #21

zerovision wrote in post #15133140 (external link)
I believe the 60D and 7D both have the built in optical control for ocf, so no flash needs to be on the hot shoe.

Yes but the pop up flash is even more limited with range and where you can point the signal. If only working inside its no great problem, but in general I gave up on the optic wireless a long time ago. Canon also finally moved to RF for a good reason, the 622c do a large part of that at a fraction of the price.

Personally I like the Phottix Odin which work fine with the original 580ex, so leave those for the Odin users :-)


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Oct 17, 2012 09:48 |  #22

elv wrote in post #15133518 (external link)
Yes but the pop up flash is even more limited with range and where you can point the signal. If only working inside its no great problem, but in general I gave up on the optic wireless a long time ago. Canon also finally moved to RF for a good reason, the 622c do a large part of that at a fraction of the price.

Personally I like the Phottix Odin which work fine with the original 580ex, so leave those for the Odin users :-)

Add to that the lack of high speed synch support on the pop up and the fact that the pop up gets hot pretty quickly and severely limits how often you can take shots when it does.


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Oct 17, 2012 11:25 |  #23

elv wrote in post #15133518 (external link)
Personally I like the Phottix Odin which work fine with the original 580ex, so leave those for the Odin users :-)

Hell yeah, Odins kick _ss!

Back to the OPs question, 580.


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Oct 18, 2012 04:36 |  #24

Dustin Mustangs wrote in post #15131215 (external link)
...and it can't natively be a master for ocf with 2nd curtain sync. The 580exII does both.

No, it doesn't allow 2nd curtain sync when used as a master for slave flashes. Canon's optical wireless system doesn't allow that regardless of which flash is the master. That's because right after the coded setup pulses have been flashed away from the master, the slaves enter a "dumb" slave mode, waiting for the trigger flash from the master. This mode times out very quickly, so they don't wait for a significantly delayed trigger pulse. Hence, 2nd curtain sync isn't possible with this system solution.


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Oct 19, 2012 07:39 |  #25

Dustin Mustangs wrote in post #15131215 (external link)
...[The 580ex I] can't natively be a master for ocf with 2nd curtain sync. The 580exII does both.

Wait, what? Are you talking about Canon's wireless system? How the hell do you get 2nd curtain with that?


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