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Oct 20, 2012 23:02 |  #1

I'm selling off my 100mm F2 lens due to it being too long on my 60D. It is my favorite lens of choice due to IQ and awesomeness, but I can't use it often enough for my liking. THought I would sell it and get a different lens that would get more use.

I was thinking of getting an 85 1.8 but then I just saw this http://www.trademe.co.​nz …non/auction-525513045.htm (external link) and thought it would make an awesome walk around lens. The one I currently use mainly is my 17-50 Tamron 2.8 VC, and I don't like the slow AF and not overly impressed by it's IQ. So I am looking to sell my lens off for about $700NZD so could almost just swap it out for the 17-40. I have never used it but the focal length is pretty ideal for me with the kids etc.

I then could sell my 17-50 for roundabout 400-450 and upgrade to the 85 1.8 when I get another 200 spare dollars..

What do you guys think?


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Oct 20, 2012 23:12 |  #2

Why get the 17-40? It's slower than your Tamron, with a shorter focal length. Might be better to keep the lens, or look into the 17-55 IS.


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Oct 20, 2012 23:20 |  #3

Wow.. I know it's slower but 10mm shorter, but to say keep the Tamron over the 17-40L is a surprise. I thought the IQ of the 17-40 would blow the tamron out the water. I don't know that I would notice the 10mm range much on my camera but I do have a nifty if I needed it. I just thought the idea of getting the 17-40L straight swap for my 100mm was pretty good.. but I am pretty new to the whole thing really..


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Oct 20, 2012 23:46 as a reply to  @ xanctum's post |  #4

Yep, i would suggest selling the 100/2 and picking up a 85/1.8. Alternatively, you could look into the Sigma 85/1.4, but it's a lot more expensive, and you take a chance getting one that focuses properly on your body.

As for your 17-50, you could sell it, and pick up a Sigma 17-50/2.8 OS.. but again, it's more money. I would skip the 17-40 on a crop camera, unless you shoot a lot of landscapes.


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Oct 21, 2012 00:06 |  #5

Yeah I was thinking the 85 1.8 would be the best option. I don't do landscapes hardly at all. Sometimes I just like to juggle when not needing to... Just saw the 17-40L and started to salavate. The 85 on my 60D would do better I think. I can grab one for about $550 and that would get me a couple hundy in the pocket to add to the tamron sell price maybe to pick a different lens.


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Oct 21, 2012 00:39 |  #6

I've used the 85/1.8 and own a 100/2.0. The 85/1.8 is essentially a 100/2.0 minus a little length. I don't recommend going from a 100/2.0 to a 85/1.8.

Personally I went with a 17-55/2.8 IS and was very happy with the performance. Granted, it wasn't cheap for what you get, but, it's still my favorite lens on an APS-C body.

The 17-40 on a APS-C doesn't work for me as well as the 17-55.


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Oct 21, 2012 02:30 |  #7

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Personally I went with a 17-55/2.8 IS and was very happy with the performance.

What did you change form to go to a 17-55? I know the 100 and the 85 is essentially the same lens with the 85 having more CA. I think the advantage of distance may be a benefit given I have to be pretty far away to get what I want in the frame. It's an excellent portrait lens but I do need a bit more "intamacy" at times. I don't like the idea of always having to be far away to get what I want in the shot.

I'm not sure though the 85mm will give me what I am after but surel;y it has to be better to an extent and give me a couple hundred in the hand to go for another lens. For example:

Selling my Tamron will get me 450 roughly. The leftover 200 from the 100mm exchange will get me 650 to go toward another 17-50ish lens. Not sure the 17-50 Sigmna for $950 or the 17-55 for $1200 but maybe the 17-40L for $700.

I do love my 100 F2 dont get me wrong, just want to use it more.


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Oct 21, 2012 02:44 as a reply to  @ xanctum's post |  #8

If you want a little wider than the 85, yet longer than your Tamron zoom...and can live with f/2.8, the EF-S 60/2.8 would serve excellently as a portrait lens in that range. It's extreme sharpness might take some getting used to.. for portraiture(especially female portraits), and you may have to adjust to settings that actually lesson your sharpness(or do it in post).


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Oct 21, 2012 04:25 |  #9

I'm fascinated by these sorts of threads. I cannot imagine regularly using wide angles lenses and am much more likely to be using the OP's 100mm lens or bigger. I own a 16-35mm and in several years can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I've used it.

I'm not being critical, it just shows how different we all are. I'm so used to tele lenses, I look at the world in those terms.


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Oct 21, 2012 05:51 |  #10

The 100mm is too long, but the 50mm is too short to walk a little bit closer to you subjects (the original problem with the 100mm being lack of closeness the subject)?

I've got a 17-40mm and the 17-50mm Tamron here, the 17-40mm never goes on the crop body. It just doesn't suit it like the Tamron does. It's the non-VC version, which is supposed to be sharper than the VC one. The Tamron has the advantage over the Canon in reach and speed (f/2.8 vs f/4). Possibly you have a bad copy of the 17-50mm?

What length do you actually need? If the speed isn't important then why not pick up an 18-135mm or similar? A slower lens, but you still have IS with it and it'll go reasonably wide while still having the reach of the 100mm.

The other option if the 85mm f/1.8 or the 60mm f/2.8 don't suit is to get a 50mm f/1.4 for around the same sort of money (if you want fast and the 50mm suits, which in reality is next to no difference to 60mm and a whole lot faster)




  
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Oct 21, 2012 09:04 |  #11

Sell you tammy 17-50 vc if you don't like the IQ ( based from actual users and reviews, non vc is a lot sharper). For crop bodies, 17-5x like canon or from sigma is a lot better, better all arounder, better lowlight lens, great all for landscapes. If money isn't an issue, I would recommend Sigma 17-50 OS cheaper than canon but sharpeness is on par if not better. Canon 85 1.8 is an amazing lens, sharp lens, great for crop bodies, imho.


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Oct 21, 2012 09:27 |  #12

xanctum wrote in post #15148637 (external link)
Wow.. I know it's slower but 10mm shorter, but to say keep the Tamron over the 17-40L is a surprise. I thought the IQ of the 17-40 would blow the tamron out the water. I don't know that I would notice the 10mm range much on my camera but I do have a nifty if I needed it. I just thought the idea of getting the 17-40L straight swap for my 100mm was pretty good.. but I am pretty new to the whole thing really..

I'm sure prices are different in New Zealand because of taxes and fees, not to mention supply and demand.

Still, a full stop of light is a full stop of light, and I can't imagine using that particular lens on a crop camera full-time. I think I can use it on my 5D, especially since I'm starting to dig the 35mm field of view.

But, as a walkaround lens, it just leaves much to be desired in terms of overall usability. 10mm shorter is shorter, so see how many shots you take currently at 50mm. Imagine being further away all the time in that case.

Personally, and of course, having the 100 is nice to have for those portraits, but if you can just sell that and get the 85, which you want. Then why get something that's, technically, inferior to the normal zoom you have now? And then you'll have two zooms within the same range.

Actually, what do you want from your Tamron that it doesn't do? Is it JUST for the slow AF? I'd just save up a bit and get the Sigma version, after getting your 85.


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Oct 21, 2012 09:58 as a reply to  @ Paolo.Leviste's post |  #13

Agree with Lowner that this thread shows how different we can be. I can't think of a single shot of my soon to be 3yr old that is in the 17-29 range that I was happy with, and there are only a handful in that range. For me a 17-40 on a crop for family pics would not even be a consideration. If this is truly the preferred range of the OP, agree that the Sigma 17-50 with OS would be a better pairing.


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Oct 21, 2012 10:10 as a reply to  @ ct1co2's post |  #14

The 85 1.8 is an awesome lens. I recommend it to everyone. But will it be wide enough? Not much difference in FOV from a 100 to an 85. Roughly 16.4º vs 19.3º on crop sensor. Depends on what and where you shoot. I find that 35-50mm focal lengths on a crop is nice for portraits in tight places. In the end you will make due with what you have. You'll either find the room needed to take a shot or pass on it. The 17-40L is also a great lens. Many here prefer that focal length on a crop. But they mainly buy the more expensive EF-S 17-55 f/2.8. For the extra stop and IS or course.

What about picking up a fast 50mm prime? The 1.8 is really cost effective. Anther great lens.


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Oct 21, 2012 10:13 |  #15

The best replacement for the Tamron 17-50 has already been recommended... the Canon 17-55. A lot more money, but a sharper lens with faster AF (USM, probably more accurate and repeatable, too) and overall great image quality. Buying non-L Canon lenses, be sure to get the accessory lens hoods that are sold separately.

The 85/1.8 will be fine, too, but really not all that different than the 100/2. Similar build and performance, and only 15mm shorter which isn't that big a step with a telephoto. Still, it might be the perfect lens for you.

There are some macro lenses with slightly different focal lengths in that range, the Canon EF-S 60/2.8 has already been mentioned. The Tamron 60/2 is an alternative that offers bigger aperture but probably won't focus nearly as quickly. There are also the Sigma 70/2.8 and the Tamron 90/2.8. They also won't be as fast focusing as the 85mm or your 100mm. Heck, any of these macros will likely be slower focusing than your Tamron 17-50.

I haven't compared any of these, but macro lenses have to move their focusing groups a long, long way, so most are pretty slow focusing... Of the croup, the Canon is the only USM lens so is likely the fastest.


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