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EOS-M Had a play yesterday. Like it a lot!

 
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Oct 21, 2012 21:24 |  #91

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Good work on the review Simon, very helpful (subscribed)
I shall get to a local store and compare it with my 5D2 asap see how it feels, really like the idea that i can slim down on general walkabouts but still access my EF Lenses if i want to back up my current body.

Hey Pete,
You're very welcome!
And I think that after a while, the EOS-M system will really start to take off.

On the latest brochures here, it says Canon have sold over 70,000,000 EF/EF-S lenses....every one of which can be used on an EOS-M body!

Cheers for now, and hope you can really get into the menus on the EOS-M to see how it shines! Takes a minute or two, but it's worth it!

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Oct 24, 2012 19:01 |  #92

skygod44 wrote in post #15142198 (external link)
3) Olly. Well, yes, it's certainly quick. Maybe quicker than the EOS-M in "pro" mode, but not by much. BUT, what I instantly noticed in comparison, was how fiddly the Olly is to use. Those buttons are tiny! Too small, by far. And no touch screen, either. Also, I hated the colours on the rear screen. But maybe that can be altered in a menu somewhere? And although fairly irrelevant, I don't see the point in styling it "like SLRs from yesteryear".

I don't know about the EOS-M AF speed, but I do know the 7d, 5d3, and the E-M5, and the E-M5 will easily match the 7d and 5d3 in AF speed with comparable glass (As in not a pro-sumer lens vs a kit lens). It also beats them both at low light AF, though the 5d3 is pretty close. Of course it does have issues with really fast action (sports and birds mostly), which might be the one AF situation in which the EOS-M will reliably beat it with its Hybrid AF.

The E-M5 has a touch screen. It is not entirely obvious how to use though, so I can understand you not realizing this if this was your first time using one.

I don't think the E-M5 is fiddly to use, at least not once you spend a couple hours with it and have learned how it works, and get it setup the way you like. I do totally understand what you mean about the buttons being small. After all, it is ergonomically designed primarily for the Japanese market, where hands are smaller on average than in the US. But I am a big guy with big hands, and I can work it fine. It also gets much better once you get a grip for it. The grip makes it feel much more natural in big hands and the small buttons cease to be an issue.

Back to the subject at hand though....

The main reason I got the E-M5 over the EOS-M is that I wanted to cut way back on the weight and size of my gear. The EOS-M looked like it would maybe cut my total weight and volume by about 30%.... in a few years. Meanwhile, the E-M5 cut my weight and volume by 60% and did so immediately. I actually like the Nikon 1 series over the EOS-M for this basic reason. I think they went to far with the small size of their sensor, but I think Canon went too large. Ultimately it just won't be THAT much smaller of a system, kind of defeating the purpose (at least the purpose as I see it).


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Oct 24, 2012 23:25 |  #93

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I don't know about the EOS-M AF speed, but I do know the 7d, 5d3, and the E-M5, and the E-M5 will easily match the 7d and 5d3 in AF speed with comparable glass...//...

Hmmm, well, with static subjects maybe.
But AF being fast with static subjects to me, is meaningless.
I mean, I can manually focus for a few seconds on a static subject, and it will still be a static subject...so who cares.
But try as I might, I can't anyone on the internet who has stated that the AF system of the E-M5 can cope with moving subjects as well as a 7D or 5D3.
Which is all that counts, really.

The E-M5 has a touch screen. It is not entirely obvious how to use though, so I can understand you not realizing this if this was your first time using one.

That I did not know. Thanks for pointing out my error.
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...//...
Back to the subject at hand though....
The main reason I got the E-M5 [over the EOS-M] is that I wanted to cut way back on the weight and size of my gear...//...

Quite right!
I think that's the thinking of most people.

Well, thanks for your input Mike.

Though don't forget, I'm only doing the EOS-M mini-review for fun, and because it seems there's a delay in the USA.
I've NO INTENTION of buying this Mark 1 version.
But similarly, I've no intention of buying into a whole new system away from Canon, as I want to use my EF/EF-S lenses from time to time on a new camera body, which will hopefully be an EOS-M Mk2, asap!

Cheers all,

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Oct 26, 2012 23:04 as a reply to  @ skygod44's post |  #94

Mine showed up today, I've only taken a couple pictures inside my house. It feels more solid then I expected and it's smaller than I thought it would be, Its smaller then my 550ex flash! The couple of pictures I've looked at so far I'm happy with. The interface is very familiar other than using the touchscreen for some of the menu selections. Hopefully the weather will clear up a bit and I get a chance to take a lot more pictures.




  
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Oct 27, 2012 09:20 as a reply to  @ tomwoh's post |  #95

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Great news, Tom(?)!!!!!

In that case, you can take over the thread if you like, as I'm going to be too busy (with my twin 7Ds!) over the next 10 days at least, to get to a shop to play with an EOS-M again :confused:

And by that time, you'll be 50x more into your new baby, than I could be, simply dropping into shops here and there....

So, please tell us all what you think; what you find out that I haven't discovered up to now; and feel free to post some shots too!

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Oct 27, 2012 11:04 as a reply to  @ skygod44's post |  #96

I don't consider myself much of a writer but I will post my thoughts. I'm in Washington State and it's pouring outside today and my wife has a pretty bad cold. I don't think I'm going to get much time to use it this weekend. But I will try and take some pictures and post some observations.




  
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Oct 27, 2012 11:53 |  #97

Here are some pictures I took in scene intelligence mode. In that mode it's pretty quick to bump up the ISO. Which of course has its pro and cons.

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This was hand held no flash. Both of these are not edited they are straight off the camera
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http://www.flickr.com …8128057561/in/p​hotostream (external link)

With a 270EXII flash, I was only a couple feet away from the subject. The picture is a bit overexposed but nothing I couldn't fix in my favorite editor.
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http://www.flickr.com …8128057561/in/p​hotostream (external link)



  
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Oct 28, 2012 12:03 |  #98

Been a crazy weekend so far, we lost power for about 8 hours yesterday, so I wasn't taking pictures :-) . My future daughter in-law is an amazing costume designer. She was in full costume for some gaming conference yesterday and asked me to take some pictures. I will post some when I get her permission. I also went outside "when it wasn't raining" and got to take some pictures.

Edited: Here is a link to a picture of my daughter in-law, every piece of the costume was done by her, she made the skull's with expanding foam, spackle and yarn..
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For full disclosure, I consider myself someone who likes to take pictures, (no expert), growing up I had a dark room and did a lot of photography with film. I have a Ti1 (currently not functional) I've had a couple Canon point and shoot cameras. (Haven’t found one I like) The thought behind buying the EOS-M was could I be happy with something in-between these two. Also I didn't want to lose my investment in lenses, I only have 4 but still I didn't want to "throw" those away.

So far

Pros:
I like being able to pick the focus point by touching the screen
Size and weight
Picture quality
AF seems fine in good light (see comment in the cons)
Touch screen is bright
The interface is no issue, I am used to not having the touch screen and I forget I have it and just use the buttons on the back of the camera

Cons
AF is very poor in any low light situations (I've only tried the defaults)
When I turn the camera to shoot vertically my fingers naturally cover the AF focus light (training myself not to do that) which makes point one above worse.




  
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Oct 28, 2012 16:40 as a reply to  @ tomwoh's post |  #99

FWIW, Jessops at New Oxford St has a Black EOS M with 18 55 M lens on display to try out.

Had a play with it and like the size and actually found the touch screen to be very usable.
Comparing it to the Olympus OMD on display, I felt the AF to take about twice as long to lock on.
The EOS M also felt nice to hold and operate.

The actual defining factor was when I asked my wife which was easier to use (I intend, to have her use the thing as I want to be in more holiday snaps) and she said the EOS M as she felt at home with the menus and operation with the touchscreen controls. The OMD in comparison felt a little too complex for her, as well as a little bulkier.

Faster AF would have been nice, but for the everyday shots (mostly static tourist type photo's) it will do the job. It will also be nice to be able to hand it over to someone to take our photo without them being intimidated by the camera. One final motivation was the price. It is £200 cheaper for the EOS M with the twin lens kit over the OMD with kit lens. Just need to buy the EF adapter when it comes out and I will have access to my EF lens collection.

I now have the EOS M twin lens kit currently on order from digitalrev. Hoping to have it In my hands in time for my business trip to Washington DC, where I will give it a workout. If it doesn't work out it will go back and I will get the OMD.

For any serious photo work I will always have my trusted 5dmkii and 7d. I am really looking forward to not having to lug around the DSLR's for the everyday shots, I feel really limited every time I take the G7. This EOS M should make a great replacement.




  
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Oct 29, 2012 15:28 |  #100

FYI - Beach Camera (Canon Authorized) has them in stock.


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Oct 29, 2012 16:14 |  #101

$1265.00 NZD at Photo and video for the eos-m, kit 18-55 and 90ex. Same price as the 650d kit.

Not too bad I think.


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Oct 30, 2012 11:34 as a reply to  @ RobDickinson's post |  #102

Excellent! The EOS M is in my hands but I have no SD card with me, have time to charge the battery. I have to wait till I get home to check it out properly but everything is as expected from my handling at the store.

Now waiting for that adapter to come into stock so I can try using it as a rear lens cap for the rest of my EF lenses.

The size and weight of the system with the 22mm mounted is great compared to my DSLR's. A great upgrade over my old G7.




  
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Oct 30, 2012 18:09 |  #103

Mine has shipped.. I was too late to upgrade the shipping... so it will take 5-7 days.. bummer


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Oct 31, 2012 06:15 as a reply to  @ SPDnTRXI's post |  #104

Had a play with it some more today, so about a day of use. Posted my first thoughts here:

https://photography-on-the.net …?p=15189901&pos​tcount=111

I quite like it. It's fun to use.




  
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Oct 31, 2012 19:50 as a reply to  @ splbound's post |  #105

mine due to arrive tomorrow :cool:


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