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Oct 28, 2012 05:18 |  #61

HyperYagami wrote in post #15177558 (external link)
70-200 is usm ii is 2,029.00 at B&H right now vs 2192 in HK.

HKD is at fixed exchange rate with USD, so they usually end up following US's price trend.

Because of B&H has "$400 Instant Savings Till Dec 1", otherwise its regular price still US$2429.

Nice to know Indonesia has even cheaper gear anyway.


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Oct 28, 2012 11:32 |  #62

x_tan wrote in post #15177726 (external link)
Because of B&H has "$400 Instant Savings Till Dec 1", otherwise its regular price still US$2429.

Nice to know Indonesia has even cheaper gear anyway.

US Canon does rebates like constant, whereas HK Canon never does any sort of rebate of any shape or form at any point in time.



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Oct 29, 2012 06:56 |  #63

Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman
And you're working for no one but me


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Oct 30, 2012 21:18 as a reply to  @ Jay T's post |  #64

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Oct 31, 2012 01:25 |  #65

would be interested in that as well


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Oct 31, 2012 01:35 as a reply to  @ post 15151209 |  #66

if you ignore shipping cost, then i guess HK. There is no tax on all camera & lenses. Plus there is a competitive cash-only culture here, thanks to the cash-rich china tourist.

If you can get sales tax refund when buying in the US, then a good place also as some of the grey market stuff in HK are from US or Canada.

I had brought many canon toys from HK to Europe for my friends there. The box & manuals, I ship separately or discard. On the new cameras, i will stick some tape over it, make a few lots of random shots to be loaded in the memory card. So far, customs has scanned my bags but never said anything.

The cost savings - generous. Esp when you factor in the VAT.

Warranty - only valid locally. So thats the risk for the discount.


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Nov 01, 2012 11:17 |  #67

DutchVince wrote in post #15172313 (external link)
My experience as a traveller is that the US on average has the lowest prices. Sometimes there are exceptions off course.

Totally off topic:
I live in one of the countries with the highest taxes in the world:
income taxes up to 52%
sales tax: 21%
tax on gasoline: 150% (or more)
tax on cars: around 30% + 21% sales tax = around 51% (seriously: about half of the amount I pay for the car is tax)
And the list goes on and on...

Since my government is ripping me off all the time (and since it is in the lawbooks this robbery is "legal"), I don't mind ripping off the government from time to time.
Just about everybody I know tries to rip off the government here :) (and that includes doctors and lawyers)



So let me get this straight with a hypothetical scenario...

100,000 Euro annual "household" income, so right away you're down to 48,000.

Let's say that you only spend 15% of your income annually, now you have 29,850.

And you drive 15,000 miles (sorry, imperial here) and get 30 MPG, that's 500 gallons of gas at the average price in the Netherlands which is $6.50USD/Gallon so that's around what, almost 3000 euro? (not exact math)

We're down to 26,850.


And when you buy a 30,000 car you pay another 30K, or 32K, 34K on top of that?

How do you guys save any money?


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Nov 01, 2012 11:34 |  #68

NickSimcheck wrote in post #15194811 (external link)
So let me get this straight with a hypothetical scenario...

100,000 Euro annual "household" income, so right away you're down to 48,000.?

Not quite. Note that the bleat was about income taxes 'up to' 52%. Of course, it is only the fairly well-off that actually pay that much. Income tax starts off at less than 2% and rises via two more incremental stages. It is only income above around €55,000 that is actually taxed at 52%.


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Nov 01, 2012 12:22 |  #69

NickSimcheck wrote in post #15194811 (external link)
So let me get this straight with a hypothetical scenario...

100,000 Euro annual "household" income, so right away you're down to 48,000.

Let's say that you only spend 15% of your income annually, now you have 29,850.

And you drive 15,000 miles (sorry, imperial here) and get 30 MPG, that's 500 gallons of gas at the average price in the Netherlands which is $6.50USD/Gallon so that's around what, almost 3000 euro? (not exact math)

We're down to 26,850.


And when you buy a 30,000 car you pay another 30K, or 32K, 34K on top of that?

How do you guys save any money?

Make more money I guess...

But seriously, I'm having a hard time making ends meet here and so are many of my friends, (that is, the ones who aren't doctors or lawyers).
I buy most of my stuff secondhand these days: car, camera equipment. No holidays away from home etc.

It might just be the crisis, I don't know...


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Nov 01, 2012 12:24 |  #70

NickSimcheck wrote in post #15194811 (external link)
... How do you guys save any money?

Live for today, baby!!!

Actually, taxation isn't that linear. As Frank stated, it steps a couple of times before it hits that level, and you're only taxed at the higher level for money earned over that threshold.


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Nov 01, 2012 12:50 |  #71

hollis_f wrote in post #15194876 (external link)
Not quite. Note that the bleat was about income taxes 'up to' 52%. Of course, it is only the fairly well-off that actually pay that much. Income tax starts off at less than 2% and rises via two more incremental stages. It is only income above around €55,000 that is actually taxed at 52%.

I take exception to the word "bleat". Holland is an extremely expensive country compared to the US (or at least the states I have visited).

2% ?? Bull****. I guess you conveniently forgot the other 31,10% that are just named differently.

Income taxes 2011-2012 (source: Dutch IRS):

Income (euro): tax%
0-18.945: 33,10% (of which 1,95% is officially called "income tax" and the remaining 31,15% are other taxes, but what's in a name when you pay 33,10% anyhow)
18.945-33.863: 41,95% (10,8% income tax + 31,10% other taxes)
33.863-56.491: 42%
> 56.491: 52%


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Nov 01, 2012 13:44 as a reply to  @ post 15173424 |  #72

Thanks. I'm a lawyer, so that makes me a criminal. I appreciated that comment.


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Nov 01, 2012 14:20 |  #73

DutchVince wrote in post #15195163 (external link)
Income (euro): tax%
0-18.945: 33,10% (of which 1,95% is officially called "income tax" and the remaining 31,15% are other taxes, but what's in a name when you pay 33,10% anyhow)

I'm sure I said "Income tax starts off at less than 2%".


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Nov 01, 2012 14:44 |  #74

Nathan wrote in post #15195350 (external link)
Thanks. I'm a lawyer, so that makes me a criminal. I appreciated that comment.

That doesn't follow .. not all lawyers are criminals, some are shysters ;)
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Nov 02, 2012 08:28 |  #75

DutchVince wrote in post #15195163 (external link)
I take exception to the word "bleat". Holland is an extremely expensive country compared to the US (or at least the states I have visited).

2% ?? Bull****. I guess you conveniently forgot the other 31,10% that are just named differently.

Income taxes 2011-2012 (source: Dutch IRS):

Income (euro): tax%
0-18.945: 33,10% (of which 1,95% is officially called "income tax" and the remaining 31,15% are other taxes, but what's in a name when you pay 33,10% anyhow)
18.945-33.863: 41,95% (10,8% income tax + 31,10% other taxes)
33.863-56.491: 42%
> 56.491: 52%

Actually I did a calculation of taxes paid in the Netherlands, direct and indirect taxes, taxes on taxes, etc., offset against GNP, three years ago now. It amounted to 83.6%. IOW, total tax income of the Dutch governement was 83.6% of GNP in 2009. This is never mentioned in official papers, or in the presentation of the annual goverment budget in September (these only add up to a little over 50%), and the figures are rather hard to come by as well :). I just came across some of these figures by accident .... :)

So yes, we do live in one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world.

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