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New Lens (70-200 or 70-400), Help Me Decide!

 
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Oct 29, 2012 09:08 |  #1

OK, so I'm in the market for a new lens. I'm looking at the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM. But here's a caveat: I want to be able to use it with an extender, preferably the Canon EF 2.0X III Telephoto Extender.

I might also consider the Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM without the extender.

Intended uses would be general telephoto, wildlife, and moon shots (the kind that are telescope-tack-sharp, which is why the extender on the 200).

Thoughts?




  
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Oct 29, 2012 09:20 |  #2

You'll get the best image quality out of a lens that has the native focal length that you're looking for. The TCs are, really, designed to be used with the long telephoto primes; moreso than for use with zooms.

For what you're describing, the 100-400 or one of the long, Sigmas are going to be the way for you to head.


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Oct 29, 2012 09:25 |  #3

Given the two options of 70-200 Mark II + Extender 2X Mark III or 100-400, and given that I had the resources for the former option, I would definitely spring for that one. Much better quality in day-to-day use, and I would still have 400mm f/5.6 as an option.

70-200II and 2x III has great performance. I can't speak in terms relative to the 100-400, but I imagine that it would compare favorably. For moon shots, 400mm/560mm(crop) is still fairly short.


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Oct 29, 2012 09:33 |  #4

Re: moon shots, I have a EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM, and I got mediocre results (see post here - https://photography-on-the.net …/showthread.php​?t=1242721). You may see that in the For Sale section soon, depending on what I decide here.... ;)




  
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Oct 29, 2012 09:38 |  #5

I'll respond over in your moon shot thread with some comments on what's going on there, but the short answer is that it isn't the lens giving you trouble there, aside from it being pretty short. :)

Getting a TC introduces more area for image quality to be negatively impacted; since any time you introduce more glass into the light path, there's a chance for distortion, loss of contrast, etc. Plus, if you're shooting long, regularly, it can be...fiddly...to be pulling out and juggling a body, lens and TC whereas with the "native" lens, you just have two elements to deal with.


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Oct 29, 2012 09:41 |  #6

RedCanyoneer wrote in post #15181980 (external link)
OK, so I'm in the market for a new lens. I'm looking at the EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM. But here's a caveat: I want to be able to use it with an extender, preferably the Canon EF 2.0X III Telephoto Extender.

I might also consider the Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM without the extender.

Intended uses would be general telephoto, wildlife, and moon shots (the kind that are telescope-tack-sharp, which is why the extender on the 200).

Thoughts?

They're both heavy for me... Get the 70-200 and TC.


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Oct 29, 2012 10:55 |  #7

Heavy? That's why I got the EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM in the first place! It's relatively small and light.




  
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Oct 29, 2012 11:05 |  #8

I've used the 2xTC version II on a 70-200 f2.8 v1 and it does degrade the IQ. Not sure how much better the version III is.

I've found the 1.4TC always seems to work well without significantly impacting IQ.

I would suggest that if your going to use the +200 most of the time you'd be better off in pocket and in use with the 100-400.

If you will use the 70-200 in its native range as well then probably best to go with that combo.


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Oct 29, 2012 11:23 |  #9

The 70-200 Mark II combined with Extender 2X Mark III is worlds better than the earlier lens and 2X Extender combination. Go look in the Lens Photo Sample Archive to see if you can find some examples. I've see images posted here that were great, that I'd be quite happy with. I will not use my 70-200 Mark I with 2X Mark II... there's just too much loss of image quality. (I will use it with 1.4X, tho I rarely do since I have two 300mm lenses.)

The 70-200 Mark II and 2X III combo is competitive with the 100-400.

Will it be tack sharp for moon shots? Probably not. 400mm (the 200mm + 2X) just isn't enough reach. My best moon shots have been with a 500mm and 2X. You'll always get better results using a prime lens for such an extreme shot.

Wildlife? Well, it depends. Often focus speed is important, too. I don't know how quickly the 70-200 II and 2X III focuses. The TC does slow down focus to some extent. I use 300/4 and 300/2.8 (Mark I) with 1.4X II and both of those are quite quick focusing. The 2X on 300/2.8 is fast enough, but definitely not as fast as the lens + 1.4X. I don't use the 2X on the f4 lens or 70-200, so can't really compare.

By the time you are spending what the 70-200 Mark II and 2X Mark III cost, you might also want to take a look at the Sigma 120-300/2.8 OS for use with either or both 1.4X and 2X TCs. Not sure which TCs would be the best choice for use with that lens. Of course, it's a much bigger and heavier lens so you'll likely want to use a tripod or at least a monopod a lot of the time.

If your budget is big enough for the Sigma 120-300 or the 70-200... You also might want to consider the SIgma 120-400 OS or 150-500 OS. Both of these are pretty comparable to the 100-400 (they tend to be a bit less contrasty and deliver a little less saturation, but both of those can usually be fixed pretty easily in post production). Both these Sigmas are considerably less expensive than the 100-400, plus are two ring zoom designs, which personally I prefer over the push/pull single ring design of the 100-400.

Still waiting on the 200-400/4 IS 1.4X Extender... and hoping for a big lottery win so I can afford it! ;)


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Oct 29, 2012 11:25 |  #10

Have you thought of the 70-300L ?


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Oct 29, 2012 11:28 |  #11

Christina.DazzleByDesi​gn wrote in post #15182501 (external link)
Have you thought of the 70-300L ?

Isn't that the "L" version of the lens I already have? And I don't see that it's compatible with the extenders....




  
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Oct 29, 2012 11:30 |  #12

The 70-200 f2.8 IS II is OK with a TC but not amazing. If you want tack sharp 400mm, have you considered 400mm f5.6 L?


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Oct 29, 2012 11:45 |  #13

themadman wrote in post #15182527 (external link)
The 70-200 f2.8 IS II is OK with a TC but not amazing. If you want tack sharp 400mm, have you considered 400mm f5.6 L?

I'm trying to be versatile and stay away from primes. I know, I know, it's a compromise....




  
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Oct 29, 2012 11:55 |  #14

RedCanyoneer wrote in post #15182521 (external link)
Isn't that the "L" version of the lens I already have? And I don't see that it's compatible with the extenders....

The L version is a great lens, optically the same as the 2.8II, just with a variable aperture which is fine unless you plan on shooting in low light scenarios and don't want to boost the ISO to compensate. And its not compatible with Canon's extenders but it is with Kenko extenders. Ive seen a lot of moon shots with the lens :) Check the photo sample forum, Ive seen a few on there.


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Oct 29, 2012 13:05 |  #15

Go for the 70-200.. it's so much more versatile! And the TC is awesome, check out http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=7​&APIComp=0 (external link)

Also compare the images without use of TC at 200mm or something..


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