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[1013MM] Presents: 15 Car Photo Shoot Post Processing Breakdown

 
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Oct 31, 2012 19:16 |  #1

Enjoy.

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Oct 31, 2012 21:47 |  #2

That is so killer! Great work as always!!!


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Oct 31, 2012 22:45 |  #3

Great breakdown, thanks for that :)


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Oct 31, 2012 22:52 |  #4

Nice job.


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Nov 01, 2012 04:04 |  #5

this is why i hate photoshop >_>


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Nov 01, 2012 07:31 |  #6

reole wrote in post #15193626 (external link)
this is why i hate photoshop >_>

I don't understand. You hate it because it's a useful tool?


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Nov 01, 2012 08:01 |  #7

reole wrote in post #15193626 (external link)
this is why i hate photoshop >_>

So how do you improve your photos? Lightroom is not enough...


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Nov 01, 2012 08:56 |  #8

reole wrote in post #15193626 (external link)
this is why i hate photoshop >_>

You might as well hate your left big toe.


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Nov 01, 2012 12:00 |  #9

CraigPatterson wrote in post #15193953 (external link)
I don't understand. You hate it because it's a useful tool?

It's amazing talent what the OP did and I appreciated the different stages. I don't know reole but I think I understand what he's TRYING to say. Like tv and movie directors overusing green screen (i.e. for simple things like avoiding going on-location for a shot instead of having an otherwise impossible shot), Photoshop blurs the lines between graphic artist and photographer. Photography (before my time) used to document what was there, not what we wanted. And I know there has always been darkroom manipulation, but it's so much easier and so much more prevalent.

I hope OP understands that I'm not knocking his work, just trying to have a conversation.


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Nov 01, 2012 12:34 |  #10

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Photography (before my time) used to document what was there, not what we wanted. And I know there has always been darkroom manipulation, but it's so much easier and so much more prevalent.

Photography has never been about what was there versus what we wanted. People have been posed for pictures since the beginning, sometimes freezing still for minutes at a time. We've always used flashes, gobos, snoots, shadows, makeup, forced perspective, and whatever other manipulation was available to alter the reality of what we're seeing. Nature photography has always waited until certain moments, as well as developed to bring out things not easily visible. Now that it's easier, I can understand a frustration that too many people are able to do it, but to put the blame for that on the tools, rather than a frustration with our own inadequacy, is short-sighted, and will result in being left behind in every way.

Just because you have a nicer pencil than Frank Lloyd Wright, that does not mean you are Frank Lloyd Wright's better. And because our former students have nicer tools, that doesn't give them the skill to use them. It's up to the old-schoolers to keep studying and give that knowledge to the new folks (with the addition of the perspective of their experience), or they will get it somewhere else.

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Photoshop blurs the lines between graphic artist and photographer.

That would mean that the skillset needed in today's market is expanding, not being made smaller via the "easier" tools. That should be a good thing for those who are reluctant to relinquish their title as Skilled Professional. If a person doesn't want to use the tools available to them, great. Don't. (There's plenty of software I don't use, for example.) But they shouldn't be upset that someone else chooses to use them, as long as they are skilled with them, as 1013mm so obviously is. So that's why I don't understand why his post could possibly be an example of why someone doesn't like PS.


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Nov 01, 2012 12:35 |  #11

Gig103 wrote in post #15194968 (external link)
It's amazing talent what the OP did and I appreciated the different stages. I don't know reole but I think I understand what he's TRYING to say. Like tv and movie directors overusing green screen (i.e. for simple things like avoiding going on-location for a shot instead of having an otherwise impossible shot), Photoshop blurs the lines between graphic artist and photographer. Photography (before my time) used to document what was there, not what we wanted. And I know there has always been darkroom manipulation, but it's so much easier and so much more prevalent.

I hope OP understands that I'm not knocking his work, just trying to have a conversation.

Strong point.. However, as technology progress, we need to keep up with it and take the advantage :cool:


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Nov 01, 2012 15:56 |  #12

CraigPatterson wrote in post #15195106 (external link)
Photography has never been about what was there versus what we wanted. People have been posed for pictures since the beginning, sometimes freezing still for minutes at a time. We've always used flashes, gobos, snoots, shadows, makeup, forced perspective, and whatever other manipulation was available to alter the reality of what we're seeing. Nature photography has always waited until certain moments, as well as developed to bring out things not easily visible. Now that it's easier, I can understand a frustration that too many people are able to do it, but to put the blame for that on the tools, rather than a frustration with our own inadequacy, is short-sighted, and will result in being left behind in every way.

Just because you have a nicer pencil than Frank Lloyd Wright, that does not mean you are Frank Lloyd Wright's better. And because our former students have nicer tools, that doesn't give them the skill to use them. It's up to the old-schoolers to keep studying and give that knowledge to the new folks (with the addition of the perspective of their experience), or they will get it somewhere else.


That would mean that the skillset needed in today's market is expanding, not being made smaller via the "easier" tools. That should be a good thing for those who are reluctant to relinquish their title as Skilled Professional. If a person doesn't want to use the tools available to them, great. Don't. (There's plenty of software I don't use, for example.) But they shouldn't be upset that someone else chooses to use them, as long as they are skilled with them, as 1013mm so obviously is. So that's why I don't understand why his post could possibly be an example of why someone doesn't like PS.

I appreciate your points of view, except for the parts where you imply that anyone who doesn't have the interest or abilities to do something like 1013mm did is merely overwhelmed by jealousy. Perhaps he is someone who just chooses not to, and as you even say that is his prerogative.

You also give a good perspective from the role of a professional who does need to stay on top of things to stay competitive - all professions are like that but since POTN is my hobby I don't have the same insights.


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Nov 01, 2012 16:05 |  #13

Great pic John. ygpm


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Nov 04, 2012 10:23 |  #14

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Strong point.. However, as technology progress, we need to keep up with it and take the advantage :cool:

I agree, & it's MUCH easier now. But that doesn't mean that we're doing something now that wasn't possible 50 years ago. For instance, these shots were ALL done in the 8" X 10" camera on Ektachrome, & were not retouched except in minor bits. Gells, "grease jobs", & sometimes front projection screens were used. Talent made the difference. ; )

For instance, the cover shot of this book (external link) about the studio was on location & all done in camera.

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Nov 04, 2012 14:13 as a reply to  @ PhotosGuy's post |  #15

Personally, I really like the third one down. Anything from there down looks fake to me. I would have stopped at that one, but if he is happy with the end result, good for him.


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