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Oct 29, 2012 09:40 as a reply to  @ post 15177969 |  #16

I have a strong feeling over the next months and years many like myself will also be moving to the mac, attempting to escape the (apparent) horrors of Windows 8.


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Oct 29, 2012 10:30 |  #17

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I have a strong feeling over the next months and years many like myself will also be moving to the mac, attempting to escape the (apparent) horrors of Windows 8.

Is it that bad? So far all the reviewers, early adopters and sheep are raving over it, though I do remember people who tried out the preview version thought it was the end of the world.
I haven't tried myself and don't really have any reason to update my VM to W8.

Hmm... W8... that might lead to some humor, I'm sure.


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Oct 29, 2012 10:38 |  #18

I tried the preview on a proper PC and the Metro interface is crap - wholly unsuitable for a "proper" PC.

I'm sure however that it will be great on a tablet - just a shame that it will be a long time until a tablet can do proper photo and video editing and many other appications that require real power like Maya, Vue or RealFow.

Can't see me upgrading to 8 any time soon - MAC may be the only alternative as I really can't be arsed with Linux.


  
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Oct 29, 2012 16:20 |  #19

I was happy with Win2k, moved to XP and was happy for, what, 10 years until a few months ago? Now, I'm happy with Win7x64...I did have a laptop that had Vista, and I had to get through one or two "quircks", but then I was happy...

But, the only time I've used a Mac was when a relative needed some help on getting something working and I was able to help her...

But, I haven't "kept up". I'd hate to see MS shove "features" that make Win8 behave "worse" on your standard PC than Win7. If they have features that are geared to tablet users, but are not-so-good for PC users, can't those be disabled?


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Oct 29, 2012 22:08 |  #20

tonylong wrote in post #15183618 (external link)
But, I haven't "kept up". I'd hate to see MS shove "features" that make Win8 behave "worse" on your standard PC than Win7. If they have features that are geared to tablet users, but are not-so-good for PC users, can't those be disabled?

If Microsoft did what Apple did, which was to take their phone OS and scale it up to tablet, they knew no one would buy it and developers would largely ignore it. Windows Phone 7 was hardly a success. So its like they said, "Fine. You won't buy our phone/tablet OS. We'll make you buy it because it'll be glued onto the front of every new Windows PC sold!" The new Start Screen cannot officially be disabled. There's no "classic mode" to fall back to like with previous version of Windows. There are 3rd party apps to bring back the normal Start Menu but so far they're buggy from what I've read.

Win8's desktop is actually an improvement in a lot of respects over Win7's. Then you hit the the Windows key on your keyboard (the actual Start Button is gone) and suddenly you're smacked in the face by Windows Phone. Big tiles everywhere, full screen apps, etc. Welcome to phone/tablet land.

Yes, once you have your desktop customized with your desktop and taskbar shortcuts, you don't need the new Start Screen too often. You'll see it when searching the system, logging on, changing users, or shutting down.

I'm afraid that the big push will be for these new "Metro" apps (which can only be installed from the Microsoft store, like iOS) which at best can shown in an 80/20 screen mode. No more windows. I guess its fine for grandma to check her email, since she only does on thing at at time anyway, but why do they have to dumb everything down to grandma's level? I'm a serious multitasker and hate the idea of my powerful machine having all the limitations of a phone imposed on it in the name of uniformity and simplicity.




  
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Oct 30, 2012 17:21 |  #21

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Also hard drive include JPEGs and RAW images. Will Mac read both.
3. Will LR4 Library be able to be read( with all adjustments) on Mac. I understand
I will need to Mac version of CS 5 and LR4.
4. Think LR4 come with both PC and Mac version on same DVD?

I believe the catalogs can work across systems, Adobe have done a lot recently to make switching easier as a lot of people have been moving the other way.

If goto www.adobe.com (external link) and get an Adobe ID you can register your software with them.
This then keeps a copy of your lisence code for each product you register with your Adobe ID.
You can then access it from anywhere and download the software you need directly from Adobe removing the need for phyiscal media.

LR for is NOT platform specific, and anything from Adobe Cloud is not platform specific.
Photoshop is still, but I believe though the Adobe ID there is an option to change platforms at no cost.


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Oct 31, 2012 15:36 |  #22

Windows allocates their memory usage much better than Apple, but Apple is pushing forward to making it better, and OSX Mountain Lion was a big step in this.

I am definitely PRO Mac, but LR and PS alone kill my memory pretty quick. I am running a MB Pro on 8GB RAM and decent processing speeds. I love the Mac interface way more than Windows though, so I will not switch back.

I typically have (Google Chrome, LR, CS6, and iTunes all running, and I have literally no memory left). I have done numerous things to combat this, but still no luck.


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Nov 01, 2012 04:01 |  #23

I am not a computer expert by any means, and being within 100m of one is almost guaranteed to turn me into a temporary Narcoleptic, but I used PCs exclusively for almost thirty years before (one year ago) buying my first Mac, an iMac.

I don't ask all that much of my computers, though I will often have PS and several other programs running, but my experience so far is very positive. I have only had one instance of the computer refusing to do what I ask, and a quick internet search provided the answer. Apart from that, I have never had any 'blue screen of death' or unfathomable problems, which used to happen regularly with my PCs.

My wife still uses a PC (Windows 7) and I spend way more time dealing with her problems than mine. Setting aside aesthetic issues, my experience is that Macs break down far less often than PCs, whether as a result of hardware or software.


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Nov 01, 2012 04:12 as a reply to  @ Steve of Cornubia's post |  #24

A couple of years ago I went on a NAPP cruise to Alaska and one in the Hawaiian islands as well. I spent some time speaking with one of the Photoshop guys and had a specific discussion on this whole MAC vs PC thing. He said that as far as he was concerned it is non-issue. One is not better than the other. He was a window user when he joined NAPP and had to adopt the MAC. He told me that he gets just as many freeze ups, crashes, etc. using the MAC with Photoshop that he did with his windows based PC.

There was a time when the MAC outdid the PC when it came to graphic arts programs but I think that in recent years this is not so much of an issue. I say buy what makes you happy and you will feel comfortable using. You have to recognize that if you make a change there is going to be a learning curve. If you don't manage change well then you might want to consider that in your decision making. If you take to technology like a duck to water then you shouldn't have any problems.


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Nov 01, 2012 10:12 |  #25

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There was a time when the MAC outdid the PC when it came to graphic arts programs but I think that in recent years this is not so much of an issue.

The exceptions to that are Aperture and Pixelmator, which extensively use OpenCL and Core Imaging in OS X. This allows them to use the gpu for much of their work and dramatically improves the speed of editing and processing. Adobe has been slacking on leveraging the gpu, leaving their software mostly tied to the cpu, which compromises performance - and why Aperture and Pixelmator are so much faster than Lightroom and Photoshop, respectively.


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Nov 01, 2012 10:30 |  #26

ssim wrote in post #15193636 (external link)
A couple of years ago I went on a NAPP cruise to Alaska and one in the Hawaiian islands as well. I spent some time speaking with one of the Photoshop guys and had a specific discussion on this whole MAC vs PC thing. He said that as far as he was concerned it is non-issue. One is not better than the other. He was a window user when he joined NAPP and had to adopt the MAC. He told me that he gets just as many freeze ups, crashes, etc. using the MAC with Photoshop that he did with his windows based PC.

There was a time when the MAC outdid the PC when it came to graphic arts programs but I think that in recent years this is not so much of an issue. I say buy what makes you happy and you will feel comfortable using. You have to recognize that if you make a change there is going to be a learning curve. If you don't manage change well then you might want to consider that in your decision making. If you take to technology like a duck to water then you shouldn't have any problems.

And when they do happen the force quit a program in OSX works within about 2 seconds for me every time where as task manager and ending processes on windows is a joke.

I will say I do like windows 7. I use it for work and there are a few features I like (splitting screen by dragging windows to the side is the greatest invention since ALT + Tab)


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Nov 01, 2012 12:37 |  #27

Picture North Carolina wrote in post #15182134 (external link)
I have a strong feeling over the next months and years many like myself will also be moving to the mac, attempting to escape the (apparent) horrors of Windows 8.

I am a MAC fan to the core, however use VMWare Fusion for a Windows 7 VM for some buisness apps I use, but Unity in VMWare is amazing!

I installed a VM of Windows 8 the other day, and wow.....horrid IMHO.....ok for specific tablets maybe, but as a desktop OS.....not doing it for me thats for sure.

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Nov 01, 2012 12:38 |  #28

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And when they do happen the force quit a program in OSX works within about 2 seconds for me every time where as task manager and ending processes on windows is a joke.

AMEN! to that!


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Nov 01, 2012 13:06 |  #29

Once you go Mac, You never go Back .

this little $35.00 gizmo here reads all my old drives, thru the new Retna-MBP 15" 3.0 usb port with very good speed.
http://www.newertech.c​om …b3_universaldri​veadap.php (external link).

so i stripped out all my old PCs of drives. i new they would come in handy someday.


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Nov 01, 2012 13:17 |  #30

I guess I'm in the minority. I gave up my Mac Pro for an 8-core i7 desktop running Windows Server 2k8 with 16gb of ram.

I gave up my 2009 MBP for a Dell Latitude 6420 laptop and I'm about to upgrade that to a Dell Latitude 6530 laptop w/1080p display, 16gb ram and large SSD, something that would cost me well over $4k if I bought an equivalent MBP.

A while back, I decided to stop paying the Apple tax. All I have left is an iPad 3 which I'll keep for now. Driver issues account for about 95% of all windows problems and are easy enough to troubleshoot, so my Windows experience has been equal or better than my experience with OSX and far cheaper which means I can afford to buy better hardware.


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