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Oct 30, 2012 23:58 |  #31

^that could pretty much be the reason. makes sense though.


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Oct 31, 2012 08:03 |  #32

triton3k wrote in post #15189146 (external link)
^that sucks big time.
My plan is this- since I already have 3 PW Plus III
I was thinking of one of the following ideas

1- Keep 2 of the Plus III, get a PMC2 for the Einstein, 1 Plus 3 for the strobe and 1 for the camera. Or
2- Keep 1 of the Plus III, get a Mini TT1, a PMC2 for the Einstein and use the Plus 3 for my strobe.

What do you guys think?

I love my Plus III's and MultiMaxes but I also use these for remote cameras and remote strobes for basketball. When using strobes for other work I still prefer taking a light reading using a flash meter (Sekonic L358 with PW module) heck I still do ambient readings for settings even outdoors for football games. For the few situations when I need to use speed lite I will borrow or rent TT1, TT5 combo .
My opinion keep all the PWIII and get more! I never seem to have enough:)


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Oct 31, 2012 12:30 |  #33

Yea one of the main reasons I decided to stay with the PW's is because i'm gonna get a Sekonic L358 in a few weeks.
I'm not gonna get more PWIII since i'm thinking of getting maybe 2 more Einsteins i'll get the PMC2 for those and the Plus III's for speedlights.


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Oct 31, 2012 14:01 |  #34

I think youre crazy for not getting the cyber commander. :D


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Oct 31, 2012 15:18 |  #35

triton3k wrote in post #15191098 (external link)
Yea one of the main reasons I decided to stay with the PW's is because i'm gonna get a Sekonic L358 in a few weeks.
I'm not gonna get more PWIII since i'm thinking of getting maybe 2 more Einsteins i'll get the PMC2 for those and the Plus III's for speedlights.

Have you seen the new Sekonics? I have been waiting for mine to come in, the rep was in my local brick an mortar doing a demo about a week ago bought one right after the demo. I'm a sucker for new gizmos :lol:

http://www.sekonic.com …IKBo-GIrLMCFQU5nAod7BQAjw (external link)


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Oct 31, 2012 16:06 |  #36

gromeo wrote in post #15191693 (external link)
Have you seen the new Sekonics? I have been waiting for mine to come in, the rep was in my local brick an mortar doing a demo about a week ago bought one right after the demo. I'm a sucker for new gizmos :lol:

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Regardless, the CC was designed specifically to control the Einsteins. All the Sekonic will do is fire them and read the light output.

I can see the logic of having both but if you have more than 1 Einstein the CC is puts so much power in your hands its funny.

For example, lots of people talk about shooting on white background and getting it to blow out. With Einsteins and CC one group is set for background. Then you have main and fill on subject, that's three groups, and maybe a hair light. fourth group. So, get all four groups set for exactly the ratios you want so background is just going white, main and fill are 1:2 and hair is just a bit hotter. Exposure is set to F11, ISO 200. Now you can fire all the lights on same frequency with CST. But, you decide you want to open up to F 4. Just hit the power down for all groups and all the lights diminish power for the new exposure with the ratios still valid.

There is no way to do that except with the CC and Einsteins. Sekonic won't for sure.


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Oct 31, 2012 16:08 |  #37

JakAHearts wrote in post #15191412 (external link)
I think youre crazy for not getting the cyber commander. :D

Plus one.


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Oct 31, 2012 17:12 |  #38

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Regardless, the CC was designed specifically to control the Einsteins. All the Sekonic will do is fire them and read the light output.

I can see the logic of having both but if you have more than 1 Einstein the CC is puts so much power in your hands its funny.

For example, lots of people talk about shooting on white background and getting it to blow out. With Einsteins and CC one group is set for background. Then you have main and fill on subject, that's three groups, and maybe a hair light. fourth group. So, get all four groups set for exactly the ratios you want so background is just going white, main and fill are 1:2 and hair is just a bit hotter. Exposure is set to F11, ISO 200. Now you can fire all the lights on same frequency with CST. But, you decide you want to open up to F 4. Just hit the power down for all groups and all the lights diminish power for the new exposure with the ratios still valid.

There is no way to do that except with the CC and Einsteins. Sekonic won't for sure.

I was actually referring to the new light meter in my last post. I use WL 1600 and I only use those to light a basketball arena in which case CB's don't play well with remote cams which are set off and relayed by main camera, PW's are awesome for this. When I do portraits or need lighting I still prefer and use power packs.


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Oct 31, 2012 17:26 |  #39

JakAHeart and V35skyline - aww man you guys are making it more difficult for me. lol

Gromeo - yea saw it and looks amazing.

DMward - besides being able to completely control the Einstein, as far as a light meter are there any advantages to the CC over a sekonic?


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Oct 31, 2012 17:40 |  #40

triton3k wrote in post #15192119 (external link)
as far as a light meter are there any advantages to the CC over a sekonic?

The Sekonic light meter is just a meter for measuring light output from the source, it will trigger the PW wireless so you can get a light reading but will not adjust the lights.


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Oct 31, 2012 17:45 |  #41

triton3k wrote in post #15192119 (external link)
JakAHeart and V35skyline - aww man you guys are making it more difficult for me. lol

Gromeo - yea saw it and looks amazing.

DMward - besides being able to completely control the Einstein, as far as a light meter are there any advantages to the CC over a sekonic?

Well, as a light meter, it can read each light independently by just making a selection of the light. It then captures the power setting so when you read a second light, you can go back to the first light and change its power setting to get the ratio you want. etc.

As for accuracy, it too can be calibrated. Sekonics are very nice meters but they are just that meters. They don't control the lights other than sending a fire signal.


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Oct 31, 2012 23:16 |  #42

Ok I got it.

The weight keeps going back and forth but makes more sense to go with the PCB stuff since I plan on adding another Einstein.


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Nov 01, 2012 08:14 |  #43

If you plan on adding another einstein, it would be ridiculously silly not to get the cyber commander. You can meter each light individually, change each one individually, change the entire group together etc etc. Just get the Buff stuff and dont look back.


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Nov 01, 2012 13:29 |  #44

gromeo wrote in post #15191693 (external link)
Have you seen the new Sekonics? I have been waiting for mine to come in, the rep was in my local brick an mortar doing a demo about a week ago bought one right after the demo. I'm a sucker for new gizmos :lol:

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I just saw something about the new L-478-DR that changes some of what I said earlier.
Apparently, this meter incorporates the PW ControlTL technology so it will remotely control power on an Einstein via an MC2 and on WhiteLightning and ABs using FlexTT5 and AC9.

The capabilities are limited to those available via ControlTL. Better than nothing but still less than Cyber Commander.

This also means that it will control Speedlites mounted on FlexTT5 as well.


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Nov 01, 2012 15:09 as a reply to  @ dmward's post |  #45

^yea just saw that in the video which now has made it even more of a difficult choice.
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