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Nov 02, 2012 21:10 |  #31

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even though I don't own it, I've spent quite a bit of time with the 5DIII. I love the overall FF IQ, thinner DOF and the AF is admittedly better. The 7D has more than adequate AF, a noticeably deeper buffer for continuous raw shots and the extra 2fps I've found does make a difference.

I haven't been this conflicted on a purchase decision since I was trying to decide between a PC and a Mac. I've literally walked into B&H with all my crop body specific gear ready to make a deal but just couldn't part with my 7D. :D

Very well said. I always respect your opinion. However, owning both cameras, I truly feel the 5D III out performs/classes the 7D in almost every category except reach. I cant tell the difference in terms of FPS . The 5DIII nails almost every shot. But I agree. Its all about the photographers needs and what they shoot. I honestly never ever felt comfortable shooting above ISO 800, let alone 1600 on my 7D. I even sent my camera back to Canon for adjustment and still wasn't truly happy. To me, the difference is price even at the normal retail price of the 5D III, is worth the difference and then some.


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Nov 02, 2012 22:53 |  #32

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Very well said. I always respect your opinion. However, owning both cameras, I truly feel the 5D III out performs/classes the 7D in almost every category except reach. I cant tell the difference in terms of FPS . The 5DIII nails almost every shot. But I agree. Its all about the photographers needs and what they shoot. I honestly never ever felt comfortable shooting above ISO 800, let alone 1600 on my 7D. I even sent my camera back to Canon for adjustment and still wasn't truly happy. To me, the difference is price even at the normal retail price of the 5D III, is worth the difference and then some.

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Nov 03, 2012 01:52 |  #33

I'll be honest, I skimmed your intro post and read ZERO responses in this thread. I did see that you'd have a 24-105 and a 70-200 lens though, so I'm only chiming in because if presented with the opportunity to have a 5D3 over ANY camera other than a 1DX you should take it. You will never want to pick up a 7D again after using a 5D3.


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Nov 03, 2012 07:32 |  #34

JamesDurbinMedia wrote in post #15201276 (external link)
I'll be honest, I skimmed your intro post and read ZERO responses in this thread. I did see that you'd have a 24-105 and a 70-200 lens though, so I'm only chiming in because if presented with the opportunity to have a 5D3 over ANY camera other than a 1DX you should take it. You will never want to pick up a 7D again after using a 5D3.

That's pretty funny. Cameras I would rather use than a 5D3: 1D3, 1D4, 1DX, 7D, and probably a 1D2n. I am not interested in anything under 8fps. I don't always need it, but when I do, I need it.


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Nov 03, 2012 08:02 |  #35

My 5D mk3 is gripped. It's just as fast if not a touch faster burst-wise than the 7D (also gripped) that it replaced. That said, if I want faster, I pick up the 1Dx!


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Nov 03, 2012 08:52 |  #36

Have a 50d that I have had for about 1 1/2 years, love almost everything about it..but wanted better AF for tracking moving things, and 2 clicks per second for my uses should come in handy.
Last week I bought a 7d through CLP, has the newest updates..I've only been able to test it a few times to see if it really tracks better, make use of the center point expansion, see if the center spot focus would come in handy..for all these things it is better than the 50d in the limited time I've had to compare, Storm Sandy is getting in the way of further testing!!
For all the things you've mentioned in shooting things NOT moving and using center dot only, you may not find the 7d a major upgrade from the 50d other than video..haven't tried this myself and probably unlikely I ever will. The 7d on center point only shooting stills is to me as good as the 50d..iso 1600 and below the 50d has worked very well for me too. Have only tried 3200 on the 7d a few times, I was not blown away by it yet...
All that said, if my 50d burned in a fire, the logical replacement would be the 7d..esp if the insurance co is footing the bill.




  
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Nov 03, 2012 09:59 |  #37

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My 5D mk3 is gripped. It's just as fast if not a touch faster burst-wise than the 7D (also gripped) that it replaced. That said, if I want faster, I pick up the 1Dx!

That may be your perception, but the test data at imaging-resource say that 7D runs 7.94 fps, and the 5D3 runs 5.99 fps. I have only used the 7D, so I can't compare. The test data show a 33% win though.

Totally agree that your 1Dx is the way to go though...


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Nov 03, 2012 18:16 as a reply to  @ post 15200570 |  #38

I'd be checking with your insurance company before you go making any decisions. Just because you paid $1300 for your 50D doesn't mean they will give you $1300 for a new camera. I'd be very surprised if they offered you a 7D as a replacement for a 50D.




  
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Nov 06, 2012 16:57 |  #39

waterrockets wrote in post #15201735 (external link)
That's pretty funny. Cameras I would rather use than a 5D3: 1D3, 1D4, 1DX, 7D, and probably a 1D2n. I am not interested in anything under 8fps. I don't always need it, but when I do, I need it.

Respectfully sir, you are outside your mind in saying that you would rather use a 1D3 over a 5D3 for ... well ... ANYTHING. Same for the 2N. It seems you must ONLY shoot sports, even then I use 1D4's for that and am still considering the 5D3 for its newer AF system.


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Nov 06, 2012 18:24 |  #40

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Respectfully sir, you are outside your mind in saying that you would rather use a 1D3 over a 5D3 for ... well ... ANYTHING. Same for the 2N. It seems you must ONLY shoot sports, even then I use 1D4's for that and am still considering the 5D3 for its newer AF system.

I appreciate your priorities, but they are not mine.

When I shoot stuff that isn't sports, the priority is really low for me. For our own family portraits, the 1D3 did great for me this weekend, at least to my skill level. I shoot sports sports sports. Surely the 5D3 would be better for that though, and I would enjoy and appreciate all it has to offer.

In swimming, with a 5D3, because of the continuous rate, I would have to send young swimmers back for another lap.

I don't know their timing until I see a few strokes. Some toss their head up before arms, some really fast swimmers only have their head up for 1/10 of a second, chin still in the water. The 1D3 allows me to spray and pray, and after 5 or 6 strokes, I know I've got "the" pic with any given swimmer. One afternoon, I had 70 swimmers and 2.5 hours to shoot them. I couldn't be sending them back for a bunch of laps and expect to get it all done.

If I only shot ball sports, I could time a lot easier. Projectiles are extremely easy to predict, so it's not too tough to get something like a head-on-ball soccer shot with a lower frame rate, as long as AF is good. Basketball too, finding the apogee of a jump shot or dunk is pretty easy once they are in the air. (same reason a rail gun is a good weapon in a jumping level of like Quake). I have no doubt that the 5D3 excels in this area.

If you gave me $10,000 right now for photography, I'd get a 1D4 and a 300mm f/2.8. Not a 5D3. Maybe stretch to a 1DX and a used 300.


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Nov 06, 2012 20:24 as a reply to  @ Buylongterm's post |  #41

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I appreciate your priorities, but they are not mine.

In swimming, with a 5D3, because of the continuous rate, I would have to send young swimmers back for another lap.

I don't know their timing until I see a few strokes. Some toss their head up before arms, some really fast swimmers only have their head up for 1/10 of a second, chin still in the water. The 1D3 allows me to spray and pray, and after 5 or 6 strokes, I know I've got "the" pic with any given swimmer. One afternoon, I had 70 swimmers and 2.5 hours to shoot them. I couldn't be sending them back for a bunch of laps and expect to get it all done.

That's the beauty, different cameras for different folks and I have seen your results with the 1D3 and they are excellent. I shoot swimming as well and I don't have any issues with the 5D3 (or the 50D I had before) when it comes to fps. I know that every swimmer is a little different but I don't find timing to be a big challenge and the 5D3 is more than up to the task.

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If you gave me $10,000 right now for photography, I'd get a 1D4 and a 300mm f/2.8. Not a 5D3. Maybe stretch to a 1DX and a used 300.

I never really warmed up to my 7D for indoor swimming, so I returned it and I was contemplating either the 1D4 or the 5D3 as a replacement. Last week, I ended up choosing the 5D3 and I also picked up a 300 f2.8 for good measure. I'm a happy camper. :cool:


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Nov 06, 2012 21:07 |  #42

I'd say 5diii. Can't remember the last time I used my 7 for stills since buying my 5dc. The lcd screen's resolution is much higher on the iii for video and Canon has made great strides in solving their issues with moire and aliasing which the 7d fails at. I'm picking up a iii in a couple days but will keep my 7 as a b-roll camera on video shoots. Your Tokina will still work @16mm but there is also the ff tokina 16-28mm that looks really nice too. I had the 11-16 and know how great of a lens it is.


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Nov 06, 2012 21:11 |  #43

JamesDurbinMedia wrote in post #15201276 (external link)
I'll be honest, I skimmed your intro post and read ZERO responses in this thread. I did see that you'd have a 24-105 and a 70-200 lens though, so I'm only chiming in because if presented with the opportunity to have a 5D3 over ANY camera other than a 1DX you should take it. You will never want to pick up a 7D again after using a 5D3.

And this


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Nov 07, 2012 00:40 |  #44

Question on the outer focus points on the 7D...

Is it accurate and does it lock focus fast? on a not so very lit room, like on wedding receptions on a hotel ballroom?

Sorry to ask on your thread...




  
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Nov 07, 2012 01:22 |  #45

Keema wrote in post #15216877 (external link)
Question on the outer focus points on the 7D...

Is it accurate and does it lock focus fast? on a not so very lit room, like on wedding receptions on a hotel ballroom?

Sorry to ask on your thread...

Valid question in which I'm curious about as well!


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