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Is my photography going to be better moving up to a 5DIII?

 
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Nov 03, 2012 05:31 |  #196

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Consider it an investment in yourself as a photographer.

If a new camera will get you interested again in photography, or get you to learn new things and improve what you do, it's a good investment.

For years I taught guitar. My experience was that when students would buy a better guitar, they pushed their skills to take advantage of what their new instrument could do....and they became better guitar players.
(pardon the pun...but I think you get the picture as to how this translates to photography)

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Very true. My 5DII has made me get out with the camera more than before*, which helps because I'm practising my skills more often. Maybe joining a camera club would have been a cheaper way of getting the same effect!

* Health reasons largely contributed to this, reasons still not explained after 19 months and presumably now never will be. But blacking out with no warning six times seriously changed my lifestyle. I did not pick up a camera for 12 months.


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Nov 03, 2012 07:38 |  #197

Lowner wrote in post #15201569 (external link)
Very true. My 5DII has made me get out with the camera more than before*, which helps because I'm practising my skills more often. Maybe joining a camera club would have been a cheaper way of getting the same effect!

* Health reasons largely contributed to this, reasons still not explained after 19 months and presumably now never will be. But blacking out with no warning six times seriously changed my lifestyle. I did not pick up a camera for 12 months.

Scary stuff, Richard. I'm glad you were able to get back into photography!


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Nov 03, 2012 08:50 |  #198

Lowner wrote in post #15201569 (external link)
Very true. My 5DII has made me get out with the camera more than before*, which helps because I'm practising my skills more often. Maybe joining a camera club would have been a cheaper way of getting the same effect!

* Health reasons largely contributed to this, reasons still not explained after 19 months and presumably now never will be. But blacking out with no warning six times seriously changed my lifestyle. I did not pick up a camera for 12 months.

Sorry to hear that you are experiencing health problems Richard, but glad that a new camera has gotten you out shooting again...Maybe a new camera not only helps one's photography but actually improves one's health as well.;)


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Nov 03, 2012 11:36 |  #199

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Sorry to hear that you are experiencing health problems Richard, but glad that a new camera has gotten you out shooting again...Maybe a new camera not only helps one's photography but actually improves one's health as well.;)

Thanks to you both for the response. While a newer body will not turn any of us into something we are not, it has certainly stopped me dwelling on my issue too much. The worst thing for me has been my having to stop sailing.


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Nov 03, 2012 13:20 |  #200

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if you have moved up to a FF from a cropped sensor have you noticed your pictures being better? Do you have less throw aways? I am a hobby shooter but have the funds to make the switch, of course I will keep my 7D.

Just my opinion ....

My first digital camera was a .8mp Sony floppy disk camera (for those that remember what a floppy disk is :confused: ) I got some great photos with that having jumped from film to digital and I learned a lot and much quicker than when using film. Jumped to a 2.1mp Sony ... thought that was a major jump and also learned a lot with that upgrade. Next was my Canon 10D ... HOLY CRAP! what a difference and I actually thought "Not sure I can handle it!?!?" BUT, while there was a major learning curve, what I shot, certainly pleased me much more than any film or digital camera I had previously.

Having said that, I honestly don't think it's "only" the upgrade in camera bodies but what I want to try and what I do to work toward getting the best results I can, no mater which body!

I have a 5DMKII and it gives me great photos but I also have a 7D and will not give that camera up. Results? I like them both but each does things different. Dogs ... we have at least 8 Labs here, usually more and it is a big part of what I play with my camera for and 90% of the time I go for the 7D ... even inactive Labs move alot! Landscapes, 5DMKII though I also like the 7D at times. Portraits, 5DMKII for sure though I have shot a wedding with the 7D and it was fine (prefer the 5DMKII).

I feel most upgrades by me are a matter of looking forward to improving small things I think I have learned and done with my previous cameras but, while the 7D and the 5DMKII are different camera bodies, I really don't mind which one I bring with me for just about anything I want to shoot. Sure, FF is great but IMHO Crop shots are not something to do away with ... I like having a choice of both!!!

My advice ... Master your 7D, save up and then get a 2nd (FF) body!!!


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Nov 03, 2012 14:50 |  #201

I switched from a 1.7 crop to a 1.3 crop. There's a significant difference between the 1D4 and the 7D. There are many reasons why it allows me to take better nature and wildlife photos. The f/8 AF allows more flexibility with extenders. The IQ is better, it performs better in low light and has better high ISO performance. And it has a higher shots per second rate.


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Nov 03, 2012 15:29 |  #202

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There are many reasons why it allows me to take better nature and wildlife photos. The f/8 AF allows more flexibility with extenders. The IQ is better, it performs better in low light and has better high ISO performance. And it has a higher shots per second rate.

All the things you listed was specs about the camera.. nothing of that will make YOU a better photographer.


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Nov 03, 2012 15:52 |  #203

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All the things you listed was specs about the camera.. nothing of that will make YOU a better photographer.

The specs allow me to take better nature photos. Where as the specs of the 7d limited what I could do. The equipment opened up new options and I am a better photographer for it. Sorry, but equipment does make a difference if you know how to use the equipment.


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Nov 03, 2012 16:10 as a reply to  @ dfbovey's post |  #204

The question was will the camera make superSteve's photography better. That of course depends on the kind of pictures he's taking. Here's what I'm taking. Imagine this hand held shot @ f4, 1/60, iso 12800 on the 7D. My photography is definitely better because of the 5d3. The equipment matters.

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Nov 03, 2012 16:19 |  #205

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The question was will the camera make superSteve's photography better. That of course depends on the kind of pictures he's taking. Here's what I'm taking. Imagine this hand held shot @ f4, 1/60, iso 12800 on the 7D. My photography is definitely better because of the 5d3. The equipment matters.

Could have used a faster lens on the 7D at lower ISO. 70-200 f2.8 I SMKII would have given you f2.8, 1/60, ISO6400. But yeah, all else equal, the 5D3 would be better equipped for the job. Definitely.




  
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Nov 03, 2012 16:30 |  #206

Could have taken it with a 7D at 6400 if you want to spend a lot more time processing the photo. Blue channel is noisy as it is at normal ISO on the 7D. At 6400 the noise would be nuts and time consuming to fix.


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Nov 03, 2012 16:40 |  #207

You have already been given lots of great replies here but i also wanna throw in mine.

Ask yourself the same question next time you upgrade your cellphone "will this shiny new cellphone make me a professional phonecaller?" if you answer that question with a yes, then you know you what to do about the 5D3. :)

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Nov 03, 2012 16:41 |  #208

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Could have used a faster lens on the 7D at lower ISO. 70-200 f2.8 I SMKII would have given you f2.8, 1/60, ISO6400. But yeah, all else equal, the 5D3 would be better equipped for the job. Definitely.

I lost two faces to dof in this shot, and I'm kind of disappointed with that. I missed a great shot of the girl drummer just before this shot. At 2.8 I probably would have lost all but one of the other faces. My shot was much better. Plus, the noise on the 7d at 6400 is terrible. There's just no comparison.


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Nov 03, 2012 17:06 |  #209

dfbovey wrote in post #15202883 (external link)
The specs allow me to take better nature photos. Where as the specs of the 7d limited what I could do. The equipment opened up new options and I am a better photographer for it. Sorry, but equipment does make a difference if you know how to use the equipment.

Don't be sorry, if you belive that it has to do with the equimpment, it's your opinion.

I got friends who want a FF because it's "the best" and it will take awesome photos.. no it wont, it will take photos with awesome image quality.

If i went out tomorrow and bought a Hasselblad D-40 (i think is the name of it) would it make a better photographer?.. Hell no.

But thats my opinion. ;)


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Nov 03, 2012 17:28 |  #210

Magnus3D wrote in post #15203000 (external link)
You have already been given lots of great replies here but i also wanna throw in mine.

Ask yourself the same question next time you upgrade your cellphone "will this shiny new cellphone make me a professional phonecaller?" if you answer that question with a yes, then you know you what to do about the 5D3. :)

/ Magnus

I love analogies. My daughter has a beginner's trombone, and now, she has a professional grade instrument. There's just no fair comparison between the two instruments on any level. The sound from the professional instrument is just incredible. It fills the entire room, and you don't just hear it. You feel it penetrate your whole body. Could this possibly be the same rank beginner we just heard on the student instrument? Hard to believe, yes, but now I see her potential. So does she. She's extremely excited about her new prize possession, and it shows in her practice times, determination, and enthusiasm about music. Did her new trombone make her a better player? Absolutely.


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