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Upgrade form 7D to 5D3 or 1D4 ???

 
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Nov 08, 2012 16:55 |  #1

Im looking at an upgrade for my camera.
Currently have a 7D witha 100-400L & getting a new 70-200 2.8II.
I shoot mainly action Sports, like Aussie Rules Football, Motorsport, Wakeboarding, etc..

Im missing shots with the 7D & 100-400 that should be keepers, I do OK but the keeper rate is around 50%.

Im chasing better AF, so was wondering if anyone has gone from a 7D to a 5D3 or a 1D4 ??
Prefer the 1D4 Pros;the crop & 10FPS,..Cons .but as its now not available new...thinkin a new 5D3,...Pros; great AF , New ,..Warranty,. cons: Ful Frame,....only 5FPS....

Is the AF that much better on a 1D$ or a 5D3 ??

Also thinking about getting a pre loved 300 2.8 L & a 1.4 III

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Nov 08, 2012 17:19 |  #2

I thought the 7D is a very good sports camera. If you have a 70-200 f2.8 coming, why don't you see if that fixes your keeper rate before going for a new body?


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Nov 08, 2012 19:20 |  #3

Sorry should have commented my main sports lens is my 100-400 usually for the long end...

When I update the 7D wil go on the 70-200 & the 1D4/5D3 will go on my 100-400,...later next yr to be updated to a 3002.8L


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Nov 08, 2012 19:26 |  #4

I have both the 1D4 and 5D3. AF is similar, but the 1D4 seems to be a little more stable in action work. The 5D3 AF can be more 'nervous' in some situations. Both would be a step up from the 7D, but not night and day better I would think (my 7D experience is limited).

Specific probably to Americans shooting baseball and softball, the 5D3 does not like shooting through fences and the AF gives fits. 1D4 is no problem is this situation.

1D4 drives slow lenses like the 85L II focus motor faster if you use this for sports. I do, and it is better on the 1D probably due to the higher battery voltage of the camera.


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Nov 08, 2012 19:31 |  #5

[Biasedopinion] 1DIV, but I'm itching for a 1D body [/biasedopinion]


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Nov 08, 2012 19:59 |  #6

I don't have a 7D, but I've been through 3 generations of 1D series bodies, currently have a 1D3. Prior to that I shot with Nikon, the last body being a D2H. I've never been happy with any of Canon's AF for action sports vs. that old D2H. I just got a 5D3 and I couldn't be happier. The 5D3 has the same AF engine as the $6800 1DX, which is the best AF engine Canon has ever made. Chuck Westfall from Canon said that this AF system bettered the 1D4, but I'm sure there are cases where one or the other may do better or worse as indicated in the posts. I am thrilled with the 5D3 compared to the 1D3, and I'd guess the 1D3 is significantly better than the 7D for sports. I do shoot mostly sports. I debated the 1D4 (used) vs. the 5D3 and ended up going with the new 5D3. I will be putting the 1D3 up for sale soon.


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Nov 08, 2012 20:49 |  #7

Dump 100-400 and pick 300mm f2.8 IS or no.:) With 5dmk3/1dx/1dmk4 and still using 100-400L shots going to suck no matter what. Honest opinion.


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Nov 08, 2012 21:05 |  #8

I'm having this dilemma myself. I want to upgrade my 7D but despite all the glowing reviews, I'm just not impressed with the 5DIII yet. I'm leaning towards a gently used 1DIV right now.


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Nov 08, 2012 22:08 as a reply to  @ Stone 13's post |  #9

You really have to be smart on the upgrades now, especially the MKIV, 5D3, & 1DX. 5D3 and MKIV are very close. 5D3 is better in low light than a MKIV,, MKIV has speed and build. 1Dx beats both, better af and iso over the MKIV but you loose crop factor. All are excellent cameras. After testing the 1Dx, I wish I would have kept my MKIV. I miss the MKIV but for what I do,, 5D3 is the best choice. Educate yourself and choose wisely


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Nov 08, 2012 23:17 |  #10

Personally I would get a 1d4. It's a great body and there's nothing like a 1 series camera. There are an infinite amount of custom functions and settings...Not to mention the build.


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Nov 09, 2012 06:26 |  #11

umphotography wrote in post #15224646 (external link)
You really have to be smart on the upgrades now, especially the MKIV, 5D3, & 1DX. 5D3 and MKIV are very close. 5D3 is better in low light than a MKIV,, MKIV has speed and build. 1Dx beats both, better af and iso over the MKIV but you loose crop factor. All are excellent cameras. After testing the 1Dx, I wish I would have kept my MKIV. I miss the MKIV but for what I do,, 5D3 is the best choice. Educate yourself and choose wisely

Bottom line is that there really isn't a bad choice between the 5D3 and 1D4. Another thought, which you didn't mention. The 1D3 is a nice upgrade from the 7D and you can pikc those up for around $1,300. If you are unsure if you want a 1D series body, you could always do that upgrade for no money out of pocket... and then you have more information in your decision.


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Nov 09, 2012 10:52 |  #12

bobbyz wrote in post #15224431 (external link)
Dump 100-400 and pick 300mm f2.8 IS or no.:) With 5dmk3/1dx/1dmk4 and still using 100-400L shots going to suck no matter what. Honest opinion.

I have a 7D and a 5D3, and I use a 100-400 for the long shots. I wouldn't go so far as to say it "sucks," but I agree that the lens is the issue here, not the camera. When I picked up a good 70-200, I realized how many shots I was missing with my 7D because of the 100-400.




  
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Nov 09, 2012 12:45 |  #13

If your sports are with outdoor light, the snappy responsiveness of the MKIV will be much better than the 5DIII. Indoors if you need to use ISO4000 or higher, the 5DIII AF will give you more keepers. I have both, and that is the criteria I use to decide which one to take to an event. The MKIV is still my first choice go to body for sports and the 5DIII is the low light king.


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Nov 09, 2012 20:12 |  #14

So I currently have the 1D IV, 5D III and repurchased a 7D for my wife so I have them all at he moment. For action I still prefer my 1D IV for its form, fit, and function and still think it does everything well. The 5D III is great for event, walk arround, and landscape. The 7d is still a great camera but the 5D III and 1D IV are just tough competition and between the two do everything better than the 7D.

On the lens front all three bodies work better with the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II and 300mm f/2.8L IS than the 100-400mm but the 100-400mm and 1D IV combo appears to be the best for the 100-400mm, don't know why but it is.


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Nov 10, 2012 07:44 |  #15

Thanks guys.

Stuck with the 100-400 for the moment, getting a 70-200 II shortly but its still lacking way too much length for most of my sports.
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b/ 300 2.8L with 1.4TC III


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