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Nov 10, 2012 17:23 |  #1

I was thinking (usually gets me in to trouble). I'm looking to up grade camera Bodies. Was wondering, if all my fellow photogs out there with the 60D and above (food chain) would take some pictures, same lenses, same subject, settings, etc... using their different bodies. I realize that there are many variations between the different bodies but I'm trying to start with Image Quality. Thanks in advance :)


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Nov 10, 2012 20:00 |  #2

I'm not sure why you are considering upgrading bodies; but I guess it would help more if we knew which body you were considering upgrading to and why ? To me, with what little info you've given so far- you'd be far better upgrading your kit lenses- targeting for whatever you like to shoot. You basically have 3 kit lenses, an older Rebel, a relatively up to date DSLR that is decent enough for most, and a couple of primes.


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Nov 10, 2012 20:18 as a reply to  @ wayne.robbins's post |  #3

The 60D has terrific image quality. I don't mean this to sound rude, but by the very nature of the question I would be surprised if you could tell the difference between it and any of the upgrades you could make in all but some very specific shooting scenarios that push the limits of the 60D. If you don't have a specific problem with the 60D where it is limiting you, I highly suggest you improve your glass collection.


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Nov 10, 2012 20:24 |  #4

I found the 60D vs the 7D vs the T3i (just a couple of shots) to be comparable. The glass made the difference when it came to IQ


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Nov 10, 2012 21:44 |  #5

gadget07 wrote in post #15230779 (external link)
I was thinking (usually gets me in to trouble). I'm looking to up grade camera Bodies. Was wondering, if all my fellow photogs out there with the 60D and above (food chain) would take some pictures, same lenses, same subject, settings, etc... using their different bodies. I realize that there are many variations between the different bodies but I'm trying to start with Image Quality. Thanks in advance :)

The way this Canon 60D owner evaluates the camera is by putting it to work, constantly. The camera consistently generates images such as these.

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Now, there's a phrase sometimes used to describe camera performance, that the camera "gets out of the way." The 60D did not interfere with the creation of these images. It's not so complex that it blocks photography. To that degree, it's a good choice.

But, if you expect miracles from a 60D or from any DSLR, you're likely going to be disappointed. No camera is better than the ability of the person operating the equipment. However, for many users of this forum, the idea of upgrading equipment is more attractive than upgrading skills through experience and training. Changing equipment has an increasingly small benefit because there aren't any substandard cameras and the differences shrink every year,



  
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Nov 10, 2012 21:53 |  #6

60D 135.

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5D2 135.
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Nov 11, 2012 07:30 |  #7

wayne.robbins wrote in post #15231178 (external link)
I'm not sure why you are considering upgrading bodies; but I guess it would help more if we knew which body you were considering upgrading to and why ? To me, with what little info you've given so far- you'd be far better upgrading your kit lenses- targeting for whatever you like to shoot. You basically have 3 kit lenses, an older Rebel, a relatively up to date DSLR that is decent enough for most, and a couple of primes.

kfreels wrote in post #15231248 (external link)
The 60D has terrific image quality. I don't mean this to sound rude, but by the very nature of the question I would be surprised if you could tell the difference between it and any of the upgrades you could make in all but some very specific shooting scenarios that push the limits of the 60D. If you don't have a specific problem with the 60D where it is limiting you, I highly suggest you improve your glass collection.

danpass wrote in post #15231270 (external link)
I found the 60D vs the 7D vs the T3i (just a couple of shots) to be comparable. The glass made the difference when it came to IQ

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The way this Canon 60D owner evaluates the camera is by putting it to work, constantly. The camera consistently generates images such as these.


Now, there's a phrase sometimes used to describe camera performance, that the camera "gets out of the way." The 60D did not interfere with the creation of these images. It's not so complex that it blocks photography. To that degree, it's a good choice.

But, if you expect miracles from a 60D or from any DSLR, you're likely going to be disappointed. No camera is better than the ability of the person operating the equipment. However, for many users of this forum, the idea of upgrading equipment is more attractive than upgrading skills through experience and training. Changing equipment has an increasingly small benefit because there aren't any substandard cameras and the differences shrink every year,


[QUOTE=mondayshift;152​31493]60D 135.

Ok, lol sorry I wasn't more clear... I do plan to up grade the Lenses, and will probably up grading to the 24-70L, 70-200L, and a Teleconverter. But I want to start from the Ground up w/ a Pro set up. I love the 60D and I get some real nice Images, but I have been checking out the 5D mkIII and I like the punchy-ness That I see in those Images...

Here are some of my own Images w/ 60D and Kit lenses

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And one w/ the Rebel XS

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Nov 11, 2012 08:21 |  #8

The images you posted are fine. I think you have answered your own question though. Other than the 1d series, the 5d would be your "upgrade" (or the 6d when it comes out). Get the glass first and see how the 60d performs... you may be surprised.


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Nov 11, 2012 11:11 |  #9

I really don't know what kind of "punchiness" you expect from a "pro" camera that you won't get from the 60D. You get a wider field of view. To offset that on a 60D you use a wider lens. You get some smoother colors but you can't see that on the screen. Only in print can you tell the difference. Any punchiness you see in a full frame camera that you don't get in the 60D is the result of lighting, aperture, focal length, and post-processing. In fact, "punchiness" when I see most people refer to it, generally refers to added color saturation, increased contrast, and a narrowing of gamut. I suppose if you want "pro" stuff, by all means spend some money. But I think you'll find plenty of pros perfectly happy with a 60D. Pros buy their gear based on what their specific needs are, not on the tag that someone assigns to a particular piece of equipment. I'm not saying you shouldn't upgrade. I'm just saying that you need to know why you are upgrading.

Check out the punchiness of this strawberry shot on a T2i.
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Nov 11, 2012 11:51 |  #10

When it comes to image quality, in particular, all the Canon crop cameras (aside from the entry level T3 or 1100D) use essentially the same 18MP sensor and virtually the same processing as your 60D. So, don't expect there to be any noticeable difference.

The T4i/650D uses a newer processor, so might see very tiny bit of difference. But, aside from that, I'd expect it to be more of a downgrade or parallel move, than an upgrade from your 60D.

The 7D uses two processors to allow it to shoot faster... more frames per second.

For the large part, among the current Canon crop sensor cameras the differences are not related to image quality at all... The differences are in shooting speed, autofocus performance, control layout, build/durability/seali​ng and customizability, and other features... 7D would be the primary bump up from your 60D in terms of AF performance and shooting speed. If you shoot lots of video, the T4i/650D might be considered an upgrade.

You'd have to bump up to one of the full frame models to see any significant difference in image quality. Even then, unless you print big... really, really big!... you won't see much difference. The 5DIII or 5DII will give you a bit more resolution and cleaner high ISO images (one or two stops worth). Just don't expect for the IQ difference to be noticeable at anything less than about 16x20" or larger. Even then, it won't "blow you away". And, if you go full frame, you should expect to reconfigure your lens kit to accomodate full frame. At the tele end of things, you'll need bigger, heavier, much more expensive lenses to enjoy the same "reach" you have now with your crop camera. At the wide end, you would see less distortion in most cases because you can use less radical lenses... but FF wide lenses will be bigger, heavier and more expensive, too, in order to give you a large enough image circle to cover the sensor.

Seriously, your best bet would be to stick with the 60D and look to your lenses. That's where you're lacking. Yours are mostly the more entry-level lenses, which are adequate, but lightly built and not as capable of top IQ and fast focus or don't have as good IS as some of the better lenses in the Canon line-up. For example, a 70-200/4 IS or f2.8 IS II would be a significant step up from your 55-250. All the Canon 70-200s are pro-quality work horses. If you need more reach than 200mm, a 300/4 IS or 400/5.6 might be a good, affordable choice... Or there are some super telephotos if your budget is quite big.

A 17-55/2.8 IS or 15-85 IS would be a big improvement over your 18-55 or 18-135. The 17-55 gives you f2.8, while the 15-85 is more of a compact, versatile walk-around lens with f3.5-5.6 aperture.

Your 50/1.4 and 85/1.8 are perfectly capable, used right. There are more expensive uber lenses available, such as the Canon 50/1.2L or 85/1.2L II... but those are big increase in prices. Sigma 50/1.4 and 85/1.4 might be worth considering, but are bigger and heavier and more expensive than what you have now.

I'd want something wider than 17mm, too... (the 15-85mm might be wide enough for some folks). Personally I use a Tokina 12-24/4, but the Canon 10-22 is another excellent choice. There are other ultrawides, at various price points.

Build the right lens kit and you may some day want to augment your 60D (or a 7D) with a FF camera, such as the 6D, so that you have the best of both worlds.

One feature the 60D lacks is Micro Adjust. That allows you to fine tune the focus accuracy of your lenses. It's not so critical with smaller aperture lenses (f4, etc.), but might be more important with big apertures (f1.4, etc.) and shallow depth of field effects. 7D has Micro Adjust. So did the 50D (though that now-discontinued model is slightly lower 15MP resolution, without video, not quite as high ISO capable and lacks some of the 60D's features... some still like it better and it's IQ is darned close to 60D).

So, I'd suggest you not worry about the camera too much. Put your money into lenses instead. You'll see much more improvement. Lenses are always more important than the camera they are used upon. Lenses determine how the image will look in many ways, while the camera just captures what the lens "sees".

To get more "pop" out of your images... get the matching lens hoods for all your lenses. Get a top quality circular polarizing filter or two, to fit key lenses in your kit. Don't use "protection" filters unless really, really necessary. Especially never use cheap, single or uncoated filters of any type. Only top quality, multi-coated... and only when they can actually enhance your images.

Get out and shoot more, practice more. Also work on your post-processing... that's often overlooked and has much room for improvement. A better quality computer monitor and a calibration suite for your computer might make for some major improvements to your images.


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Nov 11, 2012 14:45 as a reply to  @ amfoto1's post |  #11

And don't forget the Sigma 30mm f1.4. This will look nearly identical as to what the 50mm f1.8 foes on a full frame.


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Nov 11, 2012 15:12 |  #12

pretty much spot on as usual with great feedback amfoto


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Nov 11, 2012 16:01 as a reply to  @ BrickR's post |  #13

Well I like my 60D even using a not so great lens. (Sigma 24mm)

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Nov 11, 2012 16:18 |  #14

Thanks Guys I appreciate your input. I'm not looking to get rid of my 60D, just looking to increase our gear. As I said, Improved glass is in the Plan. Right now the Wife and I Swap the 60D and the Rebel XS back and forth. We will be getting another Body to rotate out the XS (and maybe give that one to my granddaughter along with the EF-S 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 and EF-S 55-250mm f4-5.6 IS ).


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Nov 11, 2012 16:37 |  #15

I feel my old 60D was sharper than my 7D.


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