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Suggestions, Tips, etc for F1 + MotoGP at new, COTA track.

 
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Oct 07, 2012 12:19 |  #1

The FAQ pages here are OK but very few of the items linked inside the threads work anymore and are old, so I'm asking some repeat questions again, as well as other reasons.. New Track.

Since COTA ( http://circuitoftheame​ricas.com (external link) ) removed its head from its back-side and is not banning cameras, I have a couple of questions.

1, mainly, is what specific settings do you suggest for a motorsport like this, as a casual photographer who will likely be behind a fence or on a berm? I have been doing a lot of air shows, and while the conditions have not been the best, I am getting good shots considering. PANNING and motorsports will be all-new for me.

My setup will include a 100-400, a 70-200 2.8 V2 and a 28-135 for the closer shots inside the fence, or anywhere I might get closer than the berms for general admission. Most likely a low-light situation is not going to present itself.

2, this is a NEW track, so its hard to tell exactly how close you are going to be as a general ticket holder. However with more updated photos being posted, aerial shots mainly, it appears the 70-200 might be good, the 400 will offer GREAT shots.


It looks like turn 18 and 19 is going to let you get pretty darn close, as well as a couple of other locations, though the best angles are reserved for seated ticket holders.

The good part is, you are free to move-about, and break up the photos a bit with general tickets. Plus, I don't want to use a camera in the grand stands. So much remains to be seen as far as how much freedom to walk around will be available.

Thanks for suggestions, tips and if you simply cant give much info due to a new track, thats understandable. However a quick pointer on settings that have worked for you at a track similar to this would help greatly, in my START of motorspots photos!

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Oct 07, 2012 12:56 |  #2

Assuming the Circuit of the Americas does not change the reversal of the previously-announced still camera restrictions, there's only one fundamental tip: bring the longest lens and tele-converter you can carry. That tip is based on having attended and photographed a real MotoGP race, where a Sigma 150-500mm OS lens was barely long enough and generated these images using a Canon 60D.

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These images were taken at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway in August, and there's always a chance that the distances to the subjects at the Texas track will be longer. Don't be surprised if a 500mm-600mm lens will be needed at a minimum. However, since no spectators have actually been at the Texas track, no one can be absolutely certain of what hobby spectator photographers can expect to find as far as distances or access. Right now, any tips are going to be no better than guesses, along with just about everything about the Circuit of the Americas.



  
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Oct 07, 2012 18:32 |  #3

Good points. It's difficult to gauge it. I don't have a TC but I may rent one for this event from a local shop based on what you are saying.


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Oct 08, 2012 19:50 |  #4

It is about impossible to say without actually getting inside the track but at this point I'd say longer is better if you're looking for a tight shot.

You'll have to MF if you're planning on using the 100-400 with a TC.


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Oct 09, 2012 14:27 |  #5

Bicknell55 wrote in post #15096404 (external link)
It is about impossible to say without actually getting inside the track but at this point I'd say longer is better if you're looking for a tight shot.

You'll have to MF if you're planning on using the 100-400 with a TC.


Yeah I agree on that. Though, the track layout and the berm locations are shown, its hard to tell how close to the fence they will let you get so far. I will know on that friday for sure. The picture I posted seems to show you relatively close, however their direction is 'away' to the right so maybe not the best angle.

I had not planned on using the 100-400 with the TC, If I rent one. Rather, use it with the 70-200 2.8 I am going to order early NOV. But I do remember reading somewhere that I would have to set the focus on it as it's gone with the TC.

As a backup plan, a good friend of mine has that same SIGMA by the other poster who listed two great shots. I can borrow it if I need that extra 100mm if my 400 does not reach.


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Oct 09, 2012 19:19 |  #6

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see the point of a TC when you're overlapping the 100-200 range with the 70-200 and the 100-400.


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Oct 10, 2012 18:07 |  #7

Bicknell55 wrote in post #15100857 (external link)
Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see the point of a TC when you're overlapping the 100-200 range with the 70-200 and the 100-400.

Because the 70-200 would be faster glass than the 100-400. Or am I doing my math wrong on the F stop?


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Oct 10, 2012 18:39 |  #8

It'll be faster but I'm not sure you'll notice a difference. Isn't the 100-400 variable from 4-5.6? If that's the case then it might be around f/4 in the 100-200 range (it's been at least 3 years since I sold mine so I can't remember for sure).


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Oct 11, 2012 04:42 |  #9

Bicknell55 wrote in post #15105600 (external link)
It'll be faster but I'm not sure you'll notice a difference. Isn't the 100-400 variable from 4-5.6? If that's the case then it might be around f/4 in the 100-200 range (it's been at least 3 years since I sold mine so I can't remember for sure).

Yeah thats one of the things I am considering. The difference may not be enough to justify the rental fee on the TC.


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Oct 23, 2012 14:27 |  #10

All I need now are my parking passes and I'm ready !

They included the old ruling that NO CAMERAS +10" were allowed though.:rolleyes:

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Oct 30, 2012 13:42 |  #11

Long glass. If you think it is long enough it probably is not. These 'new age' Tilke designed tracks are garbage and they put the walls so far away. You would be panning with a 500/4. From a spectator stand point it means getting creative and working with what you have.

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Long glass. If you think it is long enough it probably is not. These 'new age' Tilke designed tracks are garbage and they put the walls so far away. You would be panning with a 500/4. From a spectator stand point it means getting creative and working with what you have.

Enjoy the race!


Well, I have my 400mm. It should be able to get something. I dont mind watching more of the race than I take pix of. But If I dont come back with something to show, I will not be happy about it.


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Nov 01, 2012 19:41 |  #13

I have used a 300 2.8 with both 1.4x and 2.0x converters and had good success


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Nov 12, 2012 19:07 |  #14

Would love to be there! Have fun




  
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Nov 12, 2012 20:35 |  #15

JTX wrote in post #15159714 (external link)
All I need now are my parking passes and I'm ready !

They included the old ruling that NO CAMERAS +10" were allowed though.:rolleyes:

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