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So who's buying the 6D?

 
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Nov 15, 2012 23:44 |  #181

gjl711 wrote in post #15251372 (external link)
I think that's the argument many are making for the 5DMkII. It is pretty much the same camera except for a few features for hundreds less and you can still get the 5DMkII new. Once stock runs out and all you can get is the 6D, it's price should have dropped to a more reasonable $1600~$1700.

well now you see where I am, no stores seem to have the 5dmk2 in stock any more.


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Nov 16, 2012 07:02 |  #182

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well now you see where I am, no stores seem to have the 5dmk2 in stock any more.

Could Canon have timed it that perfectly? Wow.. I'm impressed.


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Nov 16, 2012 07:11 |  #183

It's nice to have the 1/8000 in the back pocket and the mere fact it's 1/4000 says: we're saving here so u can buy a 5D3 for that once in a lifetime shot u dream of! Also it's plainly marketing. It's like the AF sys. 5+/- exposure and the high ISO is probably gimmicky. Comparisons on dpreview or somethign similar for Canon 5D,5DII, 5D3 and a 1D Mark 4 show how above 1600 ISO gets crammed into the shot. Of course these were w/o NR turned on. But it speaks volumes to the hardware. It just isn't all it's cracked up to be. So they hire a s/w engineer to cover up the S/N. Big deal. The 5D3 has a very weird AF sys which on paper is good but I don't know about switching selections in the middle of shooting. Of course if the shots are very selectively grouped I can change after I'm finished with one section. As for the 6D Af w/ a single cross type focus point. that's a deal breaker right there. If I want a FF and this is what they price as entry level I'll wait for the rumored 7D Mark II. Comparisons to the D600 are laughable. One starts up at 100 ms the other at 300ms. Gee I don't think I blink that fast. That's pure marketing bs. I know some wise guy w/ five full frame Hasselblads and four Leicas will tell me about the virtues of his $20,000 lens for pics of his dog. Image quality is the dividing line but your mileage may vary. I've seen great shots w/ a 7D and 5D II and lousy ones w/ the D800. We all know the specs are only as good as the photographer but there's no point buying a new system with yesterdays AF. Low light doesn't appeal to me. I'd rather see what I've done. all the B and W shadow work is nice but 1950s. Looks like Raymond Chandler noir. The 6D hasn't one single appealing spec for me save the sensor. GPS? Camera HDR. Geez I can't wait to stand around fiddling with camera editing. Oh it can stack them or is that the D800? I don't know who dreams these things up. Someone wishes they were at Apple. What is most surprising is the rumored upgrade to the APS-C model will undoubtedly have a better AF system but the price may be like the original cost for 5D 2 if it ends up getting the 5D3 AF sys. Well what ever u buy enjoy it. It'll be good but it comes with buyer's remorse at no extra charge. Good shooting.




  
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Nov 16, 2012 08:21 as a reply to  @ Frankenheimer's post |  #184

I played around with a 6D for a bit yesterday (it was a pre-production model, so I wasn't allowed to use my own card).

First impressions? It felt very solid and well built with a nice 'rubbery' body. Fitted very well in my hand and while I use a grip on my 7D, this camera seemed fine without it - no 'hanging' pinky finger. It did have the pancake 40mm on it though, so might feel different with a longer lens.

Loved the locking mechanism on the top mode dial, something I miss on my 7D. Rear screen was huge and there were a lot of menu options, too many to take a deeper look at in such a short time.

The camera seemed responsive enough, but I could only try it indoors, so I have no idea how well it would work in racing conditions shooting fast moving objects. Guess I'll have to wait for real world reviews :)




  
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Nov 16, 2012 16:30 |  #185

gjl711 wrote in post #15217922 (external link)
I can see selling a 5Dc to fund it but a MkII? I can't see a MkII owner moving to the 6D. The two cameras are way too close in capability unless Canon has finally solved their low ISO banding and noise issue. If Canon at least matches the Exmore sensor in capability, I would jump in a second but alas, I'm sensing that it's pretty much the same sensor that is in the MkII/MkIII and will suffer the same shortcomings.


I totally agree with your statement. The 6D is just to basic, at least for me that is.


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Nov 16, 2012 17:19 |  #186

gjl711 wrote in post #15251372 (external link)
I think that's the argument many are making for the 5DMkII. It is pretty much the same camera except for a few features for hundreds less and you can still get the 5DMkII new. Once stock runs out and all you can get is the 6D, it's price should have dropped to a more reasonable $1600~$1700.

Here in Toronto, pre-orders for the 6D with the 24-105 F/4L IS USM lens are ~$2900+HST and the 5DII with the same lens is available now for $300 less. I'm interested in kitting the lens with the body because I need to replace the dead 17-85 EF-S. The 24-105 F/4L with either the 5D or 6D would work nicely with the 70-200 F/2.8L I already have.

And yes, the EF-S 17-85 wasn't a particularly high performance lens, but I managed to snag a few good shots with it.


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Nov 17, 2012 05:38 |  #187

gjl711 wrote in post #15233964 (external link)
That Exmore sensor Sony and Nikon is using really is head and shoulders above any Canon sensor. Better DR, no low ISO banding, much better noise control.

I think there in lies my disappointment. Don't get me wrong, the 5DMkIII is an awesome camera but for those of us that are not AF driven, it's a bit of a let down. When comparing the raw output of each, there is no advantage, no advancement. It's as if Canon has stalled in the sensor department.

This is the crux for me. The bells and whistles are one thing, and sure cameras today are far better than the likes of I could ever take advantage of, BUT, you don't have to be Ansell Adams to take advantage of a sensor that captures better details in the highlights and the shadows.
As a 7d user for 2 1/2 years, I have had to suffer all the 5dii owners telling me ( us ) how image quality was paramount over the bells and whistles the 7d had. It all came down to IQ IQ IQ. Fast forward 4/5 years, and the 6d is still basicly a 5dii which was still basicly a FF 30d.
This reminds me of the British car industry of the 80's. Manufacturers re-hashed new models with slightly reworked old engines. Yes the owner now had electric windows, power steering and a better stereo, but ultimately the cars still were noisy and harsh to drive compared to their French/German/Spanish counterparts. Today, the British car industry doesn't exist, we make plenty for other people but have nothing to offer the world from ourselves :cry: :cry: :cry:
Remember, we gave the world Rolls Royce and Concorde and look at us now...............


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Nov 17, 2012 07:31 |  #188

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Remember, we gave the world Rolls Royce and Concorde and look at us now...............

You gave us British bitter ales and many other beers. Be proud of those. :)
Don't forget the iconic sports cars: Morgan, Aston Martin, etc.

I'll think the sensors are better in every year, mostly the steps are minor, nothing revolutionary.
Maybe the 6D can be seen as an evaluated model of the 5DII, is it a problem? I'll buy the 6D for it's FF-sensor, size, WiFi, GPS and HDR. None of these are found in the 5DII.
Don't buy 5DIII for it's price and weight, I don't like to carry too much gadgets when travelling around.


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Nov 17, 2012 09:49 |  #189

I am interested in getting my hands on one.

The only thing that poses an issue for me would be the size. Having big hands, it may feel awkward holding a smaller camera.


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Nov 17, 2012 10:33 |  #190

h14nha wrote in post #15256141 (external link)
Fast forward 4/5 years, and the 6d is still basicly a 5dii which was still basicly a FF 30d.

what lol?


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Nov 17, 2012 10:40 |  #191

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what lol?

maybe they meant a FF 50D. :)


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Nov 17, 2012 11:29 |  #192

i think 60d. remember....video. lol


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Nov 17, 2012 11:37 |  #193

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with a max shutter speed of 1/4000, they're not marketing this to anyone wanting to use a 1.2/1.4/2.0 lens outdoors in the middle of the day!

Even in that situation I prefer to put on a 0.6 ND to block out the light. That whats I did with my 50 1.4 when I went to Cuba and wanted to take photos during mid day on the beach wide open :D


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Nov 17, 2012 11:43 |  #194
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Best Buy still has stock of 5D2.


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Nov 17, 2012 12:23 |  #195

Kentaro wrote in post #15256716 (external link)
what lol?

I meant in AF. The 5dii gave high levels of IQ if you could nail focus. Canon sold that IQ to people once, and now they are selling it again. This time it has the AF system it should have had in the first place. People have been sold two cameras instead of one. Brilliant marketing by Canon. I said a while ago that 5dii owners will "drop the 5dii like a hot potato when the replacement comes out" They have..........

Will the 6d be the same ? If the 6d had 1 focus point would anyone buy it. As FF shooters have very wide aperture primes will shooting with outer focus points be troublesome ?


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