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ozbekler
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Nov 24, 2012 10:45 |  #1

Hi;

I have 85L m2 and happy with it. It is very wonderfull and sharp lens.

But at photoze.de, it says borders and extreme borders were very very soft. Here is the link;

http://www.photozone.d​e …502-canon_85f12ff?start=1 (external link)

What do you think about that? Is it true??

And if it is true, do you know where is the center zone EXACTLY? which area?

Thanks for your answers.




  
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wayne.robbins
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Nov 24, 2012 11:03 |  #2

Take some pictures with it.. If you like what you are getting out of the lens- be happy with it and stop reading the reviews.. Stop looking for problems that aren't apparent to you. There are tons of critics here, and out in the world---- each with their own axe to grind.. Heck, I think some come up with crap to say- just to see if someone else will take the time to read it... Really though- if the pictures that come out of it make you happy- then stop worrying about the rest of the world - or the critics at photozone ... IMO, most of the things that they look at and get critical about- tend to be not as apparent as they try to make them out as being.

Q: If your subject is placed at the rules of thirds or even dead center- and the borders or extreme borders ( What's that- the corners ? ) - which tend to be out of focus anyways in most cases- who cares ? Do you care that your out of focus areas are "soft" ? Do you take pictures of flat surfaces, like walls and pages from a book ? If you get into such situations- can you not stop down to help? Would you notice anyways ? People worry about the stupidest things at times- you've got a nice lens- go out and take some pictures with it.. Look for solutions to problems - after you've noticed a problem.. in the meantime- enjoy that lens...


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Nov 24, 2012 12:22 |  #3

I use my 85L MKII for portraits. Therefore I don't really care about edge sharpness.

Oh yeah, and I agree. Stop reading those reviews and charts.




  
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Nov 24, 2012 16:33 |  #4

my 85L II is my best lens. Too much reading reviews makes you confused


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Nov 24, 2012 16:54 |  #5

85L MKII kicks butt.


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Nov 24, 2012 17:15 |  #6

Edge sharpness is not why people use an 85.


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Nov 24, 2012 17:23 |  #7

it's a very good lens, in the mix of the best from Canon.




  
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Nov 24, 2012 18:09 |  #8

wayne.robbins wrote in post #15283195 (external link)
Take some pictures with it.. If you like what you are getting out of the lens- be happy with it and stop reading the reviews.. Stop looking for problems that aren't apparent to you. There are tons of critics here, and out in the world---- each with their own axe to grind.. Heck, I think some come up with crap to say- just to see if someone else will take the time to read it... Really though- if the pictures that come out of it make you happy- then stop worrying about the rest of the world - or the critics at photozone ... IMO, most of the things that they look at and get critical about- tend to be not as apparent as they try to make them out as being.

Q: If your subject is placed at the rules of thirds or even dead center- and the borders or extreme borders ( What's that- the corners ? ) - which tend to be out of focus anyways in most cases- who cares ? Do you care that your out of focus areas are "soft" ? Do you take pictures of flat surfaces, like walls and pages from a book ? If you get into such situations- can you not stop down to help? Would you notice anyways ? People worry about the stupidest things at times- you've got a nice lens- go out and take some pictures with it.. Look for solutions to problems - after you've noticed a problem.. in the meantime- enjoy that lens...

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Nov 24, 2012 19:21 |  #9

Real Photographers Don't Read Reviews

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Nov 24, 2012 20:27 |  #10

Seems not too many people really want to give an answer. I looked at that review. It's probably accurate. Here is my take:

First, the corners are not as bad as the OP makes it seem. I think that the incredible good center lens performance even wide open makes the corners look a lot worse than they are (just by looking at the difference in the bar height).

The corners run from 'good' at 2200 wide open to 'very good' at 2500 by f/2.8. Meanwhile the center is dead sharp starting as good as 3200 and reaching 3600 by f/2.8.

That said, comparable lenses like the 85/1.8 have better corners even at f/1.8 (2900) which holds that advantage through the range. The 70-200/2.8 II actually beats the 85L II in both the center and edge when wide open (f/2.8).

So what to make of this? Well, the main thing to take away is that most people using the 85L are probably using it for portrait and event work where the edge and border performance do not matter. And even when they place a subject at the edge, the performance is still pretty good, just not stellar.

On the other hand, if you are looking for a lens to shoot something like landscapes where corner to corner performance is critical, the 70-200/2.8 II would be a better choice. You are giving up something (corner performance) in exchange for that super fast maximum aperture.


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Nov 24, 2012 23:16 as a reply to  @ JeffreyG's post |  #11

As my earlier post suggested, I'm not much of a review reading sort of guy. But I have made tens of thousands of images with both the first version of this lens and now the II. Same level of usage with a couple different 70-200 2.8 I lenses.

I'm not one to run tests either, nor are my clients, but I'm thinking that no other Canon lens compares in 'sharpness', detail, etc. Forget what reviews say, but if 'unsoft borders' are important, stop the 85/1.2 down to 2.8 and beyond (4, 5.6, etc).

I use the 85/1.2 differently and it lives at 2.8 and more open because I appreciate the look. Don't ask me to describe it... it becomes messy to describe in words.


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Nov 25, 2012 02:39 |  #12

JeffreyG wrote in post #15284988 (external link)
So what to make of this? Well, the main thing to take away is that most people using the 85L are probably using it for portrait and event work where the edge and border performance do not matter. And even when they place a subject at the edge, the performance is still pretty good, just not stellar.

On the other hand, if you are looking for a lens to shoot something like landscapes where corner to corner performance is critical, the 70-200/2.8 II would be a better choice. You are giving up something (corner performance) in exchange for that super fast maximum aperture.

Agree, though I use mine at f/1.2 100% of the time, and I frame subjects in far corners and it still is very good

I don't think I have ever had a photo taken by the 85LII which was in focus, for which I thought "ooh that's soft". There is some slight fuzziness in some conditions caused by CA etc. which affects perception of sharpness

My 200 f/2L IS is sharper, but we're really splitting hairs. If the 85LII yells out "soft" then it's time to get a replacement


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Nov 25, 2012 02:46 |  #13

ozbekler wrote in post #15283138 (external link)
And if it is true, do you know where is the center zone EXACTLY? which area?

The Canon supplied MTF chart shows the drop off occurring at about 15mm from the centre. The corners are 22mm out (FF) so it'd be around the last 1/3 of the frame (diagonally) and the last 1/6 horizontally.

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