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What's so special about 'M' mode?

 
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Nov 26, 2012 13:49 as a reply to  @ post 15291615 |  #151

Basically it all boils down to this:

All modes(except CA and "green box") have their strong points and weak points for the knowledgeable photographer was knows when and where to use each one, and even the "full auto" modes are useful(though not ideal) for a beginner.

There is NOTHING special about M mode.


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Nov 26, 2012 13:50 |  #152

First, off, I agree with everyone who says they use all modes -- I use all the modes on my 1D, including P occasionally.

Regarding the changing lighting (shadows), this is exactly where I would use Av or Tv instead of M.

My example (and I think you get it -- just re-iterating for the sake of history) is more of a scene change than a lighting change. A soccer player passing the ball with the bench behind him is in the same light as the guy 30" off the ground going for a header with the sun behind him, and I'd prefer to shoot the two with the same settings and blow out/clip the background as needed.


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Nov 26, 2012 14:00 |  #153

waterrockets wrote in post #15291348 (external link)
Well, you do lose the ability to guarantee that the exposure won't change during or between bursts, like when a soccer player runs in front of different backgrounds that may sway evaluative metering.

That's a clear cut case for M.


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Nov 26, 2012 15:58 |  #154

I find it quicker to change the exposure to the right amount using M mode rather than fiddling with Exposure compensation (which is still relying on the metering mode and where you point it)


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Nov 26, 2012 16:55 |  #155

Scapevision wrote in post #15292211 (external link)
I find it quicker to change the exposure to the right amount using M mode rather than fiddling with Exposure compensation (which is still relying on the metering mode and where you point it)

I usually point my camera at what I'm about to take a picture of. Don't you?




  
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Nov 26, 2012 17:10 |  #156

Who gives a crap what other photographers use? If I look at a photo I like, I don't think to myself "I sure hope this was shot in m mode". I just appreciate the photo for what it is. I use manual because its second nature and it feels weird using other modes, but what matters is the final result.




  
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Nov 26, 2012 17:15 |  #157

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Who gives a crap what other photographers use? If I look at a photo I like, I don't think to myself "I sure hope this was shot in m mode". I just appreciate the photo for what it is. I use manual because its second nature and it feels weird using other modes, but what matters is the final result.

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I use M mode, not just because I know how, but because you get what you get and you don't get upset that the camera did this or that or changed something up on you and then you are standing there wondering why it did or did not do something :-) Of course, not to mention the desire/need for shot to shot consistency and off camera flash stuff...

Anyway - still appreciate that Green Box for when you hand the camera to someone for that quick "family in front of the famous spot" shot :-)


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Nov 26, 2012 17:24 |  #159

jkru617 wrote in post #15292489 (external link)
Who gives a crap what other photographers use? If I look at a photo I like, I don't think to myself "I sure hope this was shot in m mode". I just appreciate the photo for what it is. I use manual because its second nature and it feels weird using other modes, but what matters is the final result.

I find it strange that people join a photography forum and then express disdain for discussing methods and approaches to photography, even basic ones like exposure.

There are many topics that seem germaine, from lighting to subject matter to composition to equipment. This is a place for exactly these discussions.

I'll admit that arriving at a correct exposure is really basic for most experienced photographers, but I've seen the topic come up enough here to note that this is interesting to a lot of newer photographers.

I don't know why this particular topic seems to generate such passion, but there it is. I do know why I stuck with Av mode (for the most part) as an inexperienced photographer and I'm happy to explain things I learned along the way and why I find using M mode is often faster and less work overall for me now.


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Nov 26, 2012 17:30 |  #160

I enjoy shooting M when lighting is tricky for the camera and I know the "look" I want. I'm no pro though, but when I shoot events outside with people (or just shoot people), lighting is more or less consistent. I have my exposure set so peoples skin looks properly exposed, not worrying about the sky and whatnot for most shots.

Sometimes I establish a second exposure for shooting in the shade and that mostly consists of flicking the shutter dial. Works for me since in post everything is so even from pictures to picture. Allows me to quickly make basic adjustments and then focus of a couple pictures that might need some attention, cause there are always a few. Keeps a set of photos "consistent" at final output too.

Rig shots require manual exposure too. Other than those two situations, I enjoy just shooting in Av around family and friends for fun to just capture moments of happiness and interaction and still retain some ability to be creative with DOF.

Shooting M is an acquired taste for most. I'd say those who need to shoot M figure it out eventually because it's truly useful while shooting and afterwards in post. Some never need to shoot M, because like me sometimes, it's nice to use the dslr and it's brains when it isn't super important to streamline edit time and you can just focus on whats going on around you when lighting changes too much (like inside room to room to outside to shade etc)




  
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Nov 26, 2012 17:31 |  #161

jkru617 wrote in post #15292489 (external link)
... but what matters is the final result.

JeffreyG wrote in post #15292553 (external link)
I find it strange that people join a photography forum and then express disdain for discussing methods and approaches to photography, even basic ones like exposure.

You disagree with that? I detected no disdain at all, just a conclusion that the image is what matters. That's all.




  
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Nov 26, 2012 17:47 |  #162

JeffreyG wrote in post #15292553 (external link)
I find it strange that people join a photography forum and then express disdain for discussing methods and approaches to photography, even basic ones like exposure.

....

I don't know why this particular topic seems to generate such passion, but there it is. I do know why I stuck with Av mode (for the most part) as an inexperienced photographer and I'm happy to explain things I learned along the way and why I find using M mode is often faster and less work overall for me now.


The disdain is when people try to dictate one method as the only "real" way to take "real" photos as a "real" photographer.

I'm happy to hear how you use M mode, just don't act like if I decide to use Av mode it is because I am ignorant.


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Nov 26, 2012 17:51 |  #163

You know a lot of these comments make me wonder how you guys reconcile using autofocus and E-TTL.


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Nov 26, 2012 17:59 |  #164

tkbslc wrote in post #15292676 (external link)
You know a lot of these comments make me wonder how you guys reconcile using autofocus and E-TTL.

lol




  
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Nov 26, 2012 18:22 |  #165

JeffreyG wrote in post #15292553 (external link)
I find it strange that people join a photography forum and then express disdain for discussing methods and approaches to photography, even basic ones like exposure.

.........

This mystifies me as well. And I'm glad you brought it up.

Someone asks "Why do people do ______ ?"

And we get hundred of posts saying "Why do you care what other people do?"

One of the reasons I joined this forum is to find out what other people do and why.


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