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Nov 27, 2012 16:10 as a reply to  @ post 15296607 |  #106

As a 7D owner the bump to 10.2 FPS isn't a big deal. However to some it may be more important.

To me the big issue will be IQ. If the new sensor is better in low light and has less or no banding then great. If the IQ is only on par with current sensor then I can't see myself upgrading.


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Nov 27, 2012 19:47 |  #107

ottacat wrote in post #15296757 (external link)
As a 7D owner the bump to 10.2 FPS isn't a big deal. However to some it may be more important.

To me the big issue will be IQ. If the new sensor is better in low light and has less or no banding then great. If the IQ is only on par with current sensor then I can't see myself upgrading.

I see it as filling the void left now that the APS-H 1D is no longer produced, Some people want the crop factor and high pixel density for sports and especially wildlife photography, where you also want a high framerate

10.2 fps is great, so long as it meters/autofocuses and etc at that 10 fps...

if its a 24mp design im speculating Canon is going to be using an entirely new fab and process and potentially this means completely new silicon with the possibility of on-chip ADC like the Sony Exmors....

My question is the AF system, Theoretically I think they could cram the 1DIV's 45 point AF system into it.. Which would be very interesting, I would like to see the 19 point AF upgraded a little because while its very fast sometimes i feel it lacks the absolute precision of the other AF systems Canon has...


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Nov 27, 2012 22:07 |  #108

7D mkii = 24 MP, 30 AF poit, F8-AF, 10 FPS, better Sensor ? :)



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Nov 27, 2012 22:32 |  #109

Wish_Star wrote in post #15298128 (external link)
7D mkii = 24 MP, 30 AF poit, F8-AF, 10 FPS, better Sensor ? :)

I'm thinking this

I'm thinking the 7DII is going to tailor itself VERY much to being a wildlife/sports camera, more so than the current 7D


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Nov 27, 2012 23:24 |  #110

What if it had the 61-pt AF? :lol:

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Nov 28, 2012 03:36 as a reply to  @ jwcdds's post |  #111

improved shadow noise performance is what canon need to stay in the game. I dont care what the rest of the specs say but if they dont make a better sensor, they gonna end up bankrupt soon.


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Nov 28, 2012 04:01 as a reply to  @ boerewors's post |  #112

If it has the focus performance of the 5d111 and its low light performance then I will upgrade my 7d to a new one, if not, its of no use to me!

5d111 is awesome for motorsport but could do with the 1.6 crop factor at times as well :cool:




  
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Nov 28, 2012 04:13 |  #113

Wish_Star wrote in post #15298128 (external link)
7D mkii = 24 MP, 30 AF poit, F8-AF, 10 FPS, better Sensor ? :)

and only $1,500! :D


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Nov 28, 2012 09:30 |  #114

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and only $1,500! :D

That would be fantastic but I would suspect something closer to $2000 to $2100. Possibly more?


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Nov 28, 2012 11:35 |  #115

I expect the price to be well into the $2k range and possibly starting at $3k. I'm not at all worried about af performance considering Canon has practically nailed it in the 1DX & 5DIII. I think the 7DII will get the same 61 pt af, obviously scaled to APS-C, no reason to leave it out in a flagship camera.

10 fps is nice and completely reasonable since the 1DX still has a faster burst at 12fps. I'd like to see Canon increase the buffer a bit, the 1DX buffer can hold 35 raw files, I'm hoping for at least 30 in the 7DII.

Obviously the elephant in the room is the new sensor, it will give a good idea on the direction Canon is headed and has implications for the entire lineup.


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Nov 28, 2012 11:41 |  #116

i really don't see it making much sense to come in at $3,000...unless they're also bringing out a 70D sometime soon...having a jump from a $600 rebel to a $3,000 camera if all you're after is better ergonomics for bigger hands is ridiculous...they definitely need something to fill that gap...something along $1,500 lines...and i think canonrumors is saying that the XXD line is going away...


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Nov 28, 2012 11:52 |  #117

DreDaze wrote in post #15300110 (external link)
i really don't see it making much sense to come in at $3,000...unless they're also bringing out a 70D sometime soon...having a jump from a $600 rebel to a $3,000 camera if all you're after is better ergonomics for bigger hands is ridiculous...they definitely need something to fill that gap...something along $1,500 lines...and i think canonrumors is saying that the XXD line is going away...

If you just look at UI and memory cards, I am skeptical of the notion that there won't be a 70D. Why? Because of the 6D.

The 6D is the natural upgrade from the 60D... pretty much the same UI, same memory cards, a full-frame alternative for the same market as the 60D.

The 7D user's natural upgrade would be the 5DIII rather than the 6D.

If Canon did not intend to have a 70D, why did they model the UI for the 6D on the 60D and why did they use SD cards?

I'm assuming the 7DII would still use CF (perhaps CF/SD dual slots), and still keep the high-end UI with the joystick, etc.

If there is no 70D using SD cards, then the 6D looks like an orphan already. It's a pretty big jump from Rebel to 6D.


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Nov 28, 2012 12:07 |  #118

yeah, i really don't see them not having a new XXD...but it's been said that the 7D II will take both those spots(although who the hell knows, i'm sure it was said a week before that that a 70D was coming out )...

I"m not sure i see the whole 6D being a natural upgrade to only the 60D...it just seems to me that it's there to entice the non pros that would like to go FF...the fact it uses SD memory cards goes along with that...I'd say majority of camera users already have SD cards

with a 6D settling in around $1800 or so in a bit, they really need a 1.6 body between $1,500-$2,200 in my mind


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Nov 28, 2012 12:18 |  #119

RTPVid wrote in post #15300158 (external link)
...The 6D is the natural upgrade from the 60D... pretty much the same UI, same memory cards, a full-frame alternative for the same market as the 60D.

The 7D user's natural upgrade would be the 5DIII rather than the 6D.
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I really don't see the natural upgrade from a 60D to a 6D or a 7D to a MkIII. A crop body and a FF body really have two different uses. They are not fully interchangeable. There are times where the 7D just does better than the MkII or MkIII. There is overlap but they are not a replacement for one another. I see the natural upgrade from a 60D as the 7D (and maybe 7DII when it shows) The 7D is the top of Canon's crop line. The 6D is a new introduction meant to address the MkIII high price. Clearly there is a need for a full frame body that does not have the fancy AF of the MkIII. It's more of a MkIII light. So, the natural upgrade from a 6D would be the MkIII.


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Nov 28, 2012 12:52 |  #120

DreDaze wrote in post #15300110 (external link)
i really don't see it making much sense to come in at $3,000...unless they're also bringing out a 70D sometime soon...having a jump from a $600 rebel to a $3,000 camera if all you're after is better ergonomics for bigger hands is ridiculous...they definitely need something to fill that gap...something along $1,500 lines...and i think canonrumors is saying that the XXD line is going away...


Considering the price increase on the 5DIII, $3k just wouldn't surprise me. I do have my doubts about no more xxD bodies for exactly the same reasons. There's a lot of room between a rebel and a 7D and the 60D has been just enough of an upgrade to fill that gap. Releasing a 70D means the APS-C lineup would continue match the FF lineup:

  • 6D = Rebel
  • 5DIII = 70D
  • 1DX = 7DII

Seems like a fairly logical lineup IMO

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