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Nov 28, 2012 21:31 as a reply to  @ post 15302130 |  #346

I could be wrong on this, but looking at the Cinch photos, it looks like the lens hangs pretty much vertically downwards most or all of the time. I should think this would put little to no stress on the camera mount, so strictly speaking, putting the second attachment point on the lens tripod foot should be unnecessary, right?


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Nov 28, 2012 22:04 |  #347

Scrumhalf wrote in post #15302437 (external link)
I could be wrong on this, but looking at the Cinch photos, it looks like the lens hangs pretty much vertically downwards most or all of the time. I should think this would put little to no stress on the camera mount, so strictly speaking, putting the second attachment point on the lens tripod foot should be unnecessary, right?

Don't know I have always worried about having 4 pounds being supported by the camera mount




  
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Nov 28, 2012 23:14 |  #348

Are there any lens sizes for which the 2nd attachment point should be on the lens tripod foot instead of the camera tripod socket? My biggest lens is a 100-400, which I think is a bit lighter than the 70-200 MK II.

Generally, our advice is that if the lens has a tripod foot, you should attach one point of the Cinch to it.


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Nov 29, 2012 13:50 |  #349

After using the Cinch for a couple outings, I am having a hard time switching between "cinch-ed" position and shooting position. The neoprene shoulder pad is doing its job preventing the strap to slide but it also making moving the camera from "cinch-ed" position to shooting position hard.
Or it's entirely possible that I am just doing this wrong. Any pointer is appreciated.


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Nov 29, 2012 17:43 |  #350

gakoenig wrote in post #15302774 (external link)
Generally, our advice is that if the lens has a tripod foot, you should attach one point of the Cinch to it.

Yes that is what I did when I had the cinch. I do like that set up I saw early in this post where the guy uses a snap and the loop for a QR set up. This has me thinking of trying this strap again




  
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Nov 29, 2012 17:45 |  #351

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I am probably the biggest Cinch fanboy around. I've tried just about every carrying method under the sun, and I have to say the Cinch comes as close to being perfect as anything I've tried. My only gripe with it is that it is not quick release; a problem I solved using OP/TECH Adapt-Its (external link) and a small lobster clasp from the hardware store (pictured). Another benefit I find the Cinch has over Black Rapid type straps is that the tripod mount attachment point is small enough to be able to still comfortably use the vertical grip. :)



I like this set up so much I am thinking of giving the cinch another try




  
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Nov 29, 2012 21:59 |  #352

I like this set up so much I am thinking of giving the cinch another try

Luma just spent a LOT of money to find out that you *never* want to use a gate clip to hold onto your camera.

We'll be posting a video soon.

(And yea, the QD is delayed due to something big we found in testing that applies to any gate clip)


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Nov 29, 2012 22:14 |  #353

gakoenig wrote in post #15306655 (external link)
Luma just spent a LOT of money to find out that you *never* want to use a gate clip to hold onto your camera.

We'll be posting a video soon.

(And yea, the QD is delayed due to something big we found in testing that applies to any gate clip)


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Nov 29, 2012 22:42 |  #354

gakoenig wrote in post #15306655 (external link)
Luma just spent a LOT of money to find out that you *never* want to use a gate clip to hold onto your camera.

We'll be posting a video soon.

(And yea, the QD is delayed due to something big we found in testing that applies to any gate clip)

Any estimation as to how long it may be delayed now?


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Nov 29, 2012 23:09 |  #355

gakoenig wrote in post #15302774 (external link)
Generally, our advice is that if the lens has a tripod foot, you should attach one point of the Cinch to it.

I have not yet tried using the Cinch with my Sigma 150-500. I have used the lens with the cinch on the camera, but I was using the tripod.

gakoenig wrote in post #15306655 (external link)
Luma just spent a LOT of money to find out that you *never* want to use a gate clip to hold onto your camera.

We'll be posting a video soon.

(And yea, the QD is delayed due to something big we found in testing that applies to any gate clip)

That is a bit discouraging, but I know those things happen. I am so hoping the QD will be useful with my Sigma 150-500 lens/tripod mount.

What is the gate clip on a camera?


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Nov 30, 2012 00:45 |  #356

Any estimation as to how long it may be delayed now?

Well, given that we just hit a brick wall (after spending thousands of dollars on tooling), I can't really say.

I can tell you that this project was being done in parallel with Cinch MkII, which was slowing both projects down somewhat. Given that MkII will be out in a couple of weeks, 100% of my time will be devoted to re-engineering the QR system. We also have new materials and a new supplier that we didn't have before, and they combine to really expand on our capabilities (some of which will be on display with the MkII). With them on our side, I suspect that the QR will happen relatively rapidly and be way cooler than the hook design.

We will be posting a video in the next couple of days. The major bullet point of it is that you should *not* use *any* gate clip on your camera. This problem isn't just with the one we designed and tooled; it effects every off-the-shelf gate clip we tested. We happened to run into it because we perform really extensive testing.

If the hook gets wedged into the split key or opening you have it attached to, the gate can be pushed open right as the clip slides off. We've been running titanium gate clips on our cameras for months now as part of our evaluations, and never had a problem. It was only in the final rounds of extreme testing that we found the recipe for gate hook failure. Now that we've seen it, we can reproduce it with every one of the 5 different off-the-shelf gate hooks we have sitting around.

It is a rare failure. We've never heard of it effecting people (and lots of Cinch users have slapped gate hooks on their straps to get some sort of QR functionality). Even so, Luma is a business and that business is built on people trusting us to carry a *very* important piece of equipment. There is nobody out there who wishes I could sell these hooks more than me (they are really very cool, injection molded long filament carbon fiber that holds 250lbs!), but I cannot offer them for sale after seeing how easily a gate clip can fail.

If you are desperate for a QR system, the benchmark we are attempting to beat is the Swiss made Le Hook (http://www.lehook.co.u​k (external link)). They are fantastic, they are strong, they are very trick... but they are also $40 for the pair.


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Nov 30, 2012 00:54 |  #357

What is the gate clip on a camera?

These are all examples of gate clips:

IMAGE: http://www.countycomm.com/_images/yachtclip/yachtcliplarge10.jpg
IMAGE: http://countycomm.com/_images/tigateclip/photo-1.jpg
IMAGE: http://www.countycomm.com/_images/gateclip/gatecliplarge1.jpg

And this is the carbon fiber Luma gate clip (without the gate installed):
IMAGE: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8062/8189113367_c3c37a7a6d.jpg

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Nov 30, 2012 07:09 |  #358

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Nov 30, 2012 09:53 |  #359

gakoenig wrote in post #15307167 (external link)
We will be posting a video in the next couple of days. The major bullet point of it is that you should *not* use *any* gate clip on your camera. This problem isn't just with the one we designed and tooled; it effects every off-the-shelf gate clip we tested. We happened to run into it because we perform really extensive testing.

I want to see this video! I currently use Op/Tech's gate clips for QD.


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Nov 30, 2012 16:38 |  #360

Gee, thanks. I went to that website and just ordered one of those gate hooks. No idea what I'll do with it, but damn it looks so cool.




  
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