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Zeiterphoto
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Dec 02, 2012 12:32 |  #1

Hi there,

I bought a new Canon 60D and it came with the 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 USM IS lens!

Then I saw the sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4 macro HSM OS....

Now I don't know which lens to have. am I better off keeping the Canon and then buy a dedicated Macro lens such as the Tamron 90mm f/2.8? I was also thinking of getting a Canon pancake 40mm f/2.8 for faster shooting...

Let's say that I am a novice, I am just starting with photography. It would cost me a little over 100$ to get the sigma because I would return the Canon at the store and pay the tax on the sigma...is it really worth it?

Some people here who have bought said they prefer the sigma because of it's versatility and it's faster lens. What I am planning to shoot is like city shots, people etc..

Thank you for your help.


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Dec 02, 2012 12:55 |  #2

Zeiterphoto wrote in post #15316227 (external link)
Hi there,

I bought a new Canon 60D and it came with the 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 USM IS lens!

Then I saw the sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4 macro HSM OS....

Now I don't know which lens to have. am I better off keeping the Canon and then buy a dedicated Macro lens such as the Tamron 90mm f/2.8? I was also thinking of getting a Canon pancake 40mm f/2.8 for faster shooting...

Let's say that I am a novice, I am just starting with photography. It would cost me a little over 100$ to get the sigma because I would return the Canon at the store and pay the tax on the sigma...is it really worth it?

Some people here who have bought said they prefer the sigma because of it's versatility and it's faster lens. What I am planning to shoot is like city shots, people etc..

Thank you for your help.

Hello there,

Since you have just started out to experiment with photography, your 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 USM IS lens is good enough for city shots and people. The next step is to buy the specialty lenses such as macro, or fast prime lenses. My point is to play with what you have now and buy later... Believe me, you will have plenty of opportunities to buy new gear in the future :-)!


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Dec 02, 2012 12:59 |  #3

The 15-85 is a more expensive lens than the Sigma 17-70. If it came with your 60D and it would cost you *more* money to get the Sigma, I'd just stick with the Canon. If you're wanting macro, the 17-70 has some macro functionality but isn't a true macro lens. The 15-85 paired with a dedicated macro would be ideal, IMHO. Also, the pancake is a steal right now at $150.


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Dec 02, 2012 14:04 |  #4

The 15-85 is sharper and only about 2/3 stop slower aperture. The 15-85 is sharp wide open and the 17-70 is not.
Take a look at this and see for youself: http://www.the-digital-picture.com …omp=0&FLIComp=3​&APIComp=0 (external link)

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …Macro-OS-Lens-Review.aspx (external link)

If you simply look at the ISO 12233 chart results from the Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4 DC Macro OS Lens, you would think that it is a reasonable, though not stellar, performer. Except at 70mm where the image quality falls apart even on the ISO chart (yes, the focal length range advantage has just partially evaporated). The outdoor comparison results, shot at longer distances, were less exciting. Generally, an aperture of at least one stop narrower than wide open is needed for decent center of the frame sharpness. The need for a 1-stop narrower aperture is not unusual, but the Sigma 17-70's corner image quality lags well behind the center of the frame image quality

Yes the Sigma will focus closer but it is still not close enough for true Macro. Keep your 15-85 and add a Canon extension tube or Kenko set if you would like to play with Macro or closer focus.

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Dec 02, 2012 18:32 as a reply to  @ msowsun's post |  #5

so, I make a good choice keeping the 15-85 right? Also, newbie question. Why people obsess with 2.8 or lower and why a lens with 3.5 is better than a lens with 2.8? thank you


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Dec 02, 2012 18:38 |  #6

Zeiterphoto wrote in post #15317497 (external link)
so, I make a good choice keeping the 15-85 right? Also, newbie question. Why people obsess with 2.8 or lower and why a lens with 3.5 is better than a lens with 2.8? thank you

is it the 15-85IS or 18-55IS ? Many of the Canon models come with the 18-55 IS kit lens




  
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Dec 02, 2012 18:59 |  #7

Zeiterphoto wrote in post #15317497 (external link)
Why people obsess with 2.8 or lower and why a lens with 3.5 is better than a lens with 2.8? thank you

People obsess about f/2.8 because it lets in more light than f/3.5 or f/4.0 and can be very useful in low light situations. If you have a f/4.0 aperture and a correctly exposed image at 1/30 shutter speed, opening up to f/2.8 would allow 1/60 shutter speed which could stop motion blur. That still may not be enough to stop the action but f/2.0 would allow 1/125 and f/1.4 would give you 1/250

Wider aperture lenses like 2.8 can also produce more background blurring which many people like.

The only time f/3.5 is better than f/2.8 is if the f/3.5 is noticeably more sharp than the f/2.8


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Dec 02, 2012 19:04 |  #8

watt100 wrote in post #15317517 (external link)
is it the 15-85IS or 18-55IS ? Many of the Canon models come with the 18-55 IS kit lens

it's the 15-85..this one:

http://www.canon.ca …rod?m=gp&pid=23​70&lang=en (external link)


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Dec 02, 2012 20:31 |  #9

that's a respectable lens. i'm with everyone else. that and a macro would be a good combo.
i started this hobby planning on using a lot of long lenses and now most of the time i'm shooting at or below 20mm. what i'm saying is get a feel for what you want to do before you start buying a lot of lenses you may not use.
do a little reading about aperture, iso,and shutter speed and how they work together. it took me a lot of reading and a lot of experimenting before i started to get it.
the great thin about dslr's is that you can shoot a lot of practice shots and look at them immediately. imagine how tough (and expensive) it was to learn back in the days of film photography.




  
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