Yongnuo YN-622C Controller Trigger

phsiao2000 wrote in post #15339504
Actually I'm extremely surprised, given the my reading of "The Other YN622C User Guide" (very useful BTW - thanks.) As far as I can tell, I'm using a Class 1 flash with type B body, which should work fine.
The section on On-Top Flash didn't list any exclusions by type of class of flash or type of camera.

By the way the following do work On-Top Flash:

Type B with Class 2 flash: 20D + 622 + 550EX
Type B with Class 4 flash: 20D + 622 + YN560-II

Perhaps all Class 1 flashes do not work with all type B bodies, or more likely all Class 1 flashes do not work with the 20D. Or perhaps just one Class 1 flash (the 465) does not work with type B bodies.

Even a dumb flash should fire if attached to the 622 on camera.
Most likely Yongnuo did not test the 20D/465 combination with the 622. I wonder if the other 46x flashes have been tested. Perhaps someone from Yongnuo could answer that.

Are you setting the transmitter (not receiver) to mixed mode? That's what you need to do with the 20D. I have the 20D an 465 and don't recall the issue, but will check.

Never thought about this question, but if I am controlling my flash in manual mode with the 622, not ettl, can i still set my zoom range from the camera? My flashes will be in soft boxes sometimes and i hope i can still set the zoom to wide angle even though I would not be using ettl.

Thanks

Yes.

Elv, the 465 is on the 622 which is on the camera (on-board mode?).

In remote mode, the 465 works.

20D+622 (remote mode) ---------->622+465 WORKS (e-ttl + FEC + FEL)
20D+622 (mixed mode) ---------->622+465 WORKS (manual flash only),
(flash reverts to ettl if 622 transmitter set to remote mode)
20D+465 WORKS (e-ttl + FEC + FEL, or manual)
20D+622+465 NO. No flash
Tried the following on-board settings:
622 remote + 465 ettl No flash
622 remote + 465 manual No flash; flash resets to ettl
622 mixed + 465 ettl No flash
622 mixed + 465 manual No flash

Do you have any other Type 1 flashes, e.g. 467, 467 II, 468, 468 II, 565 EX, 565 II, 568 EX, 430 EX II, 580 EX II or 600EX-RT? Could you try them out, do they work on-board with the 622?

phsiao2000 wrote in post #15342282
Elv, the 465 is on the 622 which is on the camera (on-board mode?).

In remote mode, the 465 works.

20D+622 (remote mode) ---------->622+465 WORKS (e-ttl + FEC + FEL)
20D+622 (mixed mode) ---------->622+465 WORKS (manual flash only),
(flash reverts to ettl if 622 transmitter set to remote mode)
20D+465 WORKS (e-ttl + FEC + FEL, or manual)
20D+622+465 NO. No flash
Tried the following on-board settings:
622 remote + 465 ettl No flash
622 remote + 465 manual No flash; flash resets to ettl
622 mixed + 465 ettl No flash
622 mixed + 465 manual No flash

Do you have any other Type 1 flashes, e.g. 467, 467 II, 468, 468 II, 565 EX, 565 II, 568 EX, 430 EX II, 580 EX II or 600EX-RT? Could you try them out, do they work on-board with the 622?

I'm finding this a bit confusing, are you describing remote slaves on 622 receivers as "on-board" ?

If the flash is on the pass through hotshoe, YN have called it "on-top flash", so if you could call it that, or on the pass through, at least we can be sure of what your referring too.


I haven't had a chance to test this yet, but regarding the other Type 1 flashes, "on-top" (of the pass through hotshoe) yes they do work with the 20D.

I have the early YN-568EX which was faulty and does not work with the 20D/5D etc directly, but miraculously on-top of the YN-622C it does work.

elv wrote in post #15342621
I'm finding this a bit confusing, are you describing remote slaves on 622 receivers as "on-board" ?

If the flash is on the pass through hotshoe, YN have called it "on-top flash", so if you could call it that, or on the pass through, at least we can be sure of what your referring too.

Yes, let's call it by it's proper name: "on-top flash!" I couldn't, from memory, recall what it was called. Sorry.

My understanding is that Type 1 flashes, 465 included, should work "on-top." I would guess that any flash should at least fire.

elv wrote in post #15342621
I have the early YN-568EX which was faulty and does not work with the 20D/5D etc directly, but miraculously on-top of the YN-622C it does work.

Is there any way to tell an early 568EX from a later one?

Hey you're the flash havoc.com guy! I really like your site. Your articles are insightful and explanatory, not mere regurgitations of press releases. You put the information into context, of what has come before, and what is coming, from other manufacturers. For example, comparing the Kody with the Odin, or the budget flash for 622 article. Great stuff.

phsiao2000 - I mis-read your opening line, and thought that you were talking of one of the YN flashes designed as a remote only. I see that you weren't. Apologies.
My notes are based on 50D. The 20D was retired after the 4th shutter assembly failed. My 30D was handed on.

20D+622 (remote mode) ---------->622+465 WORKS (e-ttl + FEC + FEL)
>Good. Would not expect Manual to work.
20D+622 (mixed mode) ---------->622+465 WORKS (manual flash only)
>Good. Am surprised that E-TTL cannot be set and work.
(flash reverts to ettl if 622 transmitter set to remote mode)
>That is what it does with 550EX also.
20D+465 WORKS (e-ttl + FEC + FEL, or manual)
>Thanks for confirmation.

20D+622+465 on-top NO. No flash
Tried the following on-board settings:
622 remote mode + 465 ettl No flash
622 remote mode + 465 manual No flash; flash resets to ettl
>430EXII, 580EXII, 568EX all follow the menu setting, E-TTL or M
>550EX fixed at E-TTL

622 mixed mode + 465 ettl No flash
622 mixed mode + 465 manual No flash
>430EXII, 580EXII, 568EX all follow the on-flash setting, E-TTL or M
>550EX fixed at E-TTL

I no longer have a 20D manual. Is there a setting for setting an external flash to "Master Flash - Disable or Enable? All four of the above flashes follow the setting.

I'm stilll hoping to see any feedback with Yn-622C with Canon 6D

phsiao2000 wrote in post #15342729
Is there any way to tell an early 568EX from a later one?

Hey you're the flash havoc.com guy! I really like your site. Your articles are insightful and explanatory, not mere regurgitations of press releases. You put the information into context, of what has come before, and what is coming, from other manufacturers. For example, comparing the Kody with the Odin, or the budget flash for 622 article. Great stuff.

YN-568EX - yes there is a build date sticker when you swivel the flash head, models from 11 month (November)-2012 have the updated firmware. Most available now should be fine but just check with the seller.

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20D - Unfortunately I can't get the camera working, it won't recognise the lense and give as err 01 if I press the shutter. I've tried cleaning the contacts a number of times but no luck still. It started doing this intermittently but taking the lense on and off usually fixed it, but now its not coming good at all as yet.

I'm not sure how manual lenses work, maybe if I tape over the lense contacts it may fire the shutter with no aperture or focus?

I am about to buy a beauty dish with the speedlight bracket. I am not sure if the Bracket will be high enough to have the 622 sit under the flash. One cool thing, however, is that this bracket comes with the second cold shoe for people using PW triggers. I am wondering if the 622 would have any problem using one of the 3 foot ETtL cables to pass it's signal to the flash.

If it works then this would be the perfect way to mount the 622 away from the flash and still have all functions.

Anyone see any reason that it would have a problem with an ETTL coiled cable?

guitarjeff wrote in post #15347205
I am about to buy a beauty dish with the speedlight bracket. I am not sure if the Bracket will be high enough to have the 622 sit under the flash. One cool thing, however, is that this bracket comes with the second cold shoe for people using PW triggers. I am wondering if the 622 would have any problem using one of the 3 foot ETtL cables to pass it's signal to the flash.

If it works then this would be the perfect way to mount the 622 away from the flash and still have all functions.

Anyone see any reason that it would have a problem with an ETTL coiled cable?

Yes it works as well with a TTL cord (I've used Canon, Pixel & Yongnuo - whichever is nearest, no preference) as it does straight onto the flash. This is the way I normally it use with my 24" Lastolite Ezybox-type softbox. This has the advantage that I can then poke the flash further into the softbox if I so desire. The alternative is to reverse the YN-622C and then swivel the 580EXII through 180° to (just) poke into the softbox. Trouble with YN-622C reversed is that the LCD screen on the flash is less easy to read then so I prefer to use the TTL cord. Should also work with YN-622C on camera then a TTL cable to flash on my CB Junior bracket (the flash would be in Group A - just as if the connection was direct) - but I haven't had cause to try this as yet.

I've also split so one YN-622C drives 2 Metz 45 hammerheads - one directly off the PC socket and one via a Pixel TD-321 (solely for the PC socket) on the hotshoe of the YN-622C. Only intended to give a vanilla 'Fire' signal cos that's all the Metzs will do (they're 45CL4 versions not 45CL4 Digital) but it works 100%.

elv wrote in post #15346791
20D - Unfortunately I can't get the camera working, it won't recognise the lense and give as err 01 if I press the shutter. I've tried cleaning the contacts a number of times but no luck still. It started doing this intermittently but taking the lense on and off usually fixed it, but now its not coming good at all as yet.

I'm not sure how manual lenses work, maybe if I tape over the lense contacts it may fire the shutter with no aperture or focus?

Yeh, I've had that problem before. Removing the lens, or switching IS off/on usually helped. Maybe I removed the battery, I don't remember. I suppose taping the contacts would work too, but if you're just testing whether a flash will fire you can just remove the lens and press the shutter button. You won't get an image, but the camera+flash should fire.

CliveyBoy wrote in post #15344036
phsiao2000 - I mis-read your opening line, and thought that you were talking of one of the YN flashes designed as a remote only. I see that you weren't. Apologies.

No no, I wasn't very clear at all, my apologies.

CliveyBoy wrote in post #15344036
I no longer have a 20D manual. Is there a setting for setting an external flash to "Master Flash - Disable or Enable? All four of the above flashes follow the setting.

The camera was set to CF-07 flash enabled; I had checked that. If I set CF-07 flash disabled, the 20D appears to turn off the hot shoe, because no on-top flash (3 different types of flashes) will work, nor any 622's.

question,
can i get my ab b800 to do hss with the 622 triggers shooting on a T2i?

Sklar wrote in post #15349785
question,
can i get my ab b800 to do hss with the 622 triggers shooting on a T2i?

Not HSS, that is Canon proprietary. But the AB800 will play in the Super Sync game. It will take some testing to see how much benefit you get.